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shortening auger drive chain?

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Chuck, WA

06-21-2002 20:27:55




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I posted a while back about a spreader on which the chain driving the horizontal auger was slipping part way off the sprocket and locking the wheels, or slipping off all the way. There were a number of good suggestions, and I finally got around to pulling the gaurd off and seeing what needed done.

The chain does, in fact, have a tension adjustment, but it is adjusted as far as it will go. The chain is clearly too long - presumably stretched since the spreader is like me...old and tired.

The chain is made of links that are formed from flat steel, probably a little less than 1/8" thick. The links are around 1-1/2 to 2" long and the only thing I can see stamped on them is a nunmber 55 on each link.

I don't know what a new chain would cost -it has 30 links - but I'm half Russian and half Hungarian, plus about 95% scotch, so my first inclination is to remove a link. My wife and her mother - both farm gals - definitely remember dad/hubby removing links from such chains. It looks to me like I could spread the connection with a cold chisel enough to remove a link, and probably bend it back with a carefully applied hammer or press, but they are convinced there's an easier way, and I feel sure that if I can open and close them, they aren't hard enough to last long after that.

Can such a chain be shortened? Or am I really looking for trouble trying to do that?

Your advice would be appreciated.

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JMS/MN

06-22-2002 19:51:39




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 Re: Spreader - shortening auger drive chain? in reply to Chuck, WA, 06-21-2002 20:27:55  
From what you describe- you have flat chain- not pintle chain, although the description of pintle chain is correct. It does have connector links with a cotter key in it. Sometimes all links are connected with removeable links with cotter pins. However, flat chain is not disconnected by spreading the link- if you do not have a flat chain tool (maybe 10-15 bucks), you can separate the links by kinking them a bit to line up two links, and use a chisel or round bar and hammer to knock them apart. The tool facilitates the separation by holding one link while pounding on the other. If it is bench work, clamping one in a vise allows you to hold the other link in the right position to disassemble with hammer and chisel or punch. Remove an extra link and reassemble, use the tightener to adjust tension. On a spreader APRON, with two chains, be sure to take out an equal number of links on each side so the chain runs straight within the box.

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Chuck, WA

06-23-2002 11:29:54




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 Re: Re: Spreader - shortening auger drive chain? in reply to JMS/MN, 06-22-2002 19:51:39  
JMS...sounds like it's flat chain then. I'll try separating.

But, in the meantime, tell me more about this apron thing. On this manure spreader, the auger only has one chain. When it's off, it spins freely. I assume there's no need to worry about any other chains if I remove a link from the one in question...right?

Thanks for your reply.



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Chuck, WA

06-22-2002 05:52:04




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 Re: Spreader - shortening auger drive chain? in reply to Chuck, WA, 06-21-2002 20:27:55  
Gene and Iron...Thanks for the reply. I have a feeling that I'll probably go lookiong for new chain, but I also may just try removing a link just so I know what it takes.

Iron...What you describe sounds like roller chain - like a bike chain. There is no "thin steel" along the side, nor cotter pins. Links are all identical - flat steel with the "roller" formed by rolling the end of one link around a bar formed by rolling the end of the next link. I figured that the "55" was the chain size. I was at the Massey dealer yesterday and a couple of guys were in looking for a chain and needing it shorter than what the dealer had, and they were talking about shortening it with the connecting link and a tool, but it was roller chain.

Gene...what you say about separating it sounds about right. I hadn't thought about turning at 90-deg, but that sounds right on from what I see.

Thanks both.

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paul

06-22-2002 23:31:39




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 Re: Re: Spreader - shortening auger drive chain? in reply to Chuck, WA, 06-22-2002 05:52:04  
Yup, they got you on the right track.

Some almost fall apart for you when you turn them, others don't want to come apart for the world! :) I've used a file on them & file the corner just a bit so the one edge slides past with a hammer - you don't want to do much with the file tho!

Some chains (like on an elevator) you don't have much looseness in the chains so you can't get them turned 90 degrees - they frequently have a connector link & pin like a roller chain 'halflink' has.

As others said, _don't_ chisel it wider - busted, hardened, steel is what you'll get.

What kind of spreader with an auger??? Not manure? Fertilizer?

--->Paul

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Chuck, WA

06-23-2002 11:26:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Spreader - shortening auger drive chain? in reply to paul, 06-22-2002 23:31:39  
Paul...sorry, but I'm not sure of the terminology. It's a manure spreader with an auger that is horizontal and throws the manure.

This must be what folks are calling flat chain since there are no cotters or anything like that in sight. Each link is made from a single flat piece of steel.

Thanks for the reply.



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paul

06-24-2002 10:01:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Spreader - shortening auger drive chain? in reply to Chuck, WA, 06-23-2002 11:26:44  
It's a beater. Or you can call the one with bigger vanes on it a spreader.

If it's not roller chain, you'll be having flat chain for your application. 55 is a common size for it.

--->Paul



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Farmer Gene (WI)

06-22-2002 02:57:07




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 Re: Spreader - shortening auger drive chain? in reply to Chuck, WA, 06-21-2002 20:27:55  
what you got is called pintle chain, it's not that expensive you can get at any farm store. Don't try spreading and bending back cause they'll end up breaking, what you do is turn one link 90 degrees to the next link so the slot lines up and drive it out with a hammer. hope this helps, sometimes they can be a bugger to get apart.



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JMS/MN

06-22-2002 19:55:57




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 Re: Re: Spreader - shortening auger drive chain? in reply to Farmer Gene (WI), 06-22-2002 02:57:07  
Pintle chain is not separated by turning links 90 degrees and pounding them apart. Pintle chain has connector links with cotter keys or flat bar keepers. Flat chain is separated by turning adjacent links about 30-45 degrees and pounding them apart. 55 is a flat chain size, like 62, 45, 67, 67H, etc.



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Old Iron

06-22-2002 00:58:39




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 Re: Spreader - shortening auger drive chain? in reply to Chuck, WA, 06-21-2002 20:27:55  
Chuck,

The 55 on the links is your chain size.

I myself would not take out the links as you suggest. You won't like the end results. :-)

1 - Look on your chain for a connector link. You can find it by looking for what looks like a thin piece of steel from one end of a link to the other or it will have 2 small cotter pins holding it together. You can pry off the thin steel with a screw driver but make sure it doesn't fly off to parts unknown. If you can't find the connecting link please go to step 2.

2 - Go to your local farm and barn and ask for a chain link tool that will fit #55 roller chain and a connecting link. If you were not able to find the connecting link earlier remove 2 links with the tool and put the chain back together with the connecting link.

3 - Adjust your chain slack and you should be good to go!

My 2 bits worth,

Old Iron

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