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Implements for Pasture Maintenance???

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Ted Webb

06-14-2002 02:05:21




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Will be moving shortly to place with about 40 - 50 acres in native grasses (unimproved pasture) and some weeds. My initial concern will be to 'maintain'(as in mowing and fertilizing) what is there with an eye to the furure for 'improvement' (as in interseeding or reseeding).

For maintaining the current pasture I figure I'll will need a tractor (MF135 on hand), bush hog for mowing (on hand), some kind of weed sprayer, and some form of fertilizer spreader.

My first 'to-do' is a soil test and see what fertilizer is indicated. I will be running a few cows also. Heard this helps pastures as well.

Since I will have to buy the implements for weed spray and fertilizer, that is where I need your recommendations.

I'm assuming that a boom sprayer can handle both weed spray and liquid fertilizer. Can this be done? Is it practical? Is there a better approach? What are your thoughts about other implements suitable to spread fertilizer and/or herbacide?

OBTW, I saw the link to the 'pasture renovator' tool at Monroetuffline (sp). Seems to me that would be a very useful piece of equipment. My gut reaction to the picture was "WOW, I want one of those!"

Again, I want to thank everyone on this forum for their great contributions.

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gy3020

06-16-2002 09:40:10




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 Re: Implements for Pasture Maintenance??? in reply to Ted Webb, 06-14-2002 02:05:21  
Hey Ted,
Good choice on the 135 Massey. I have one as well and it does fine for me pulling a 9ft. haybine and 5 ft mower and a 5 shank pasture conditioner(renovator) that I made myself and am looking too make some for sale as well. I would be glad to talk with you or anyone about the possibility of a purchase. If interested give me a shout at my email address and we can go from there. I live in north central Texas and would have too check into shipping costs and all.

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Ted Webb

06-16-2002 15:47:37




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 Re: Re: Implements for Pasture Maintenance??? in reply to gy3020, 06-16-2002 09:40:10  
GY3020,

Interested in pasture conditioner, but I'm in Australia. Shipping would be pretty much out of the question. However, I might be interested in some working drawings that I could use to build from. Do you have any pictures of the finished product that you could snail mail or e-mail? I'm a bit of a welder and might be able to put one together.

Where are you in Texas? I get there often, origianlly from Ft. Worth. Used to live in Wichita Falls. I have kids and grandkids in Wichita Falls and Denton area.

Feel free to contact me at [email protected]

Thanks

Ted

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Bill B

06-14-2002 20:44:24




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 Re: Implements for Pasture Maintenance??? in reply to Ted Webb, 06-14-2002 02:05:21  
Hi, I have used my 125 gallon 28' 3 point hook up sprayer on my 135d to spray weed killer, but you will need serveral weights on the front to be able to steer the tractor.I see a lot of sprayers at auctions that are reasonable and can be fixed up easy. I get my fertilizer from Southern State, which they mix to my soil sample test and load into a spreader which they rent with it. I get lime from a company that spreads it fot $30.00 a ton. Bill

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JoeinTX

06-14-2002 20:28:05




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 Re: Implements for Pasture Maintenance??? in reply to Ted Webb, 06-14-2002 02:05:21  
It sounds like you have a good start with what you already have on hand. You mentioned the Woods Pasture Renovator...I'm not too familiar with Woods products but is that an aerator? If so, then go for it. I have used an Aer-Way 10' model on both pasture and Bermuda fields and it really does a great job of allowing fertilizer and moisture to penetrate my hard, clay soil improving the stand of both the hay and grass. I would try using this implement before any type of tillage like discing. A broadcast spreader will be sufficient for any seed and dry fertilizer you wish to use as I don't think that you'll want to go overboard in treating a relativley small piece of land.

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Ted Webb

06-15-2002 00:35:52




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 Re: Re: Implements for Pasture Maintenance??? in reply to JoeinTX, 06-14-2002 20:28:05  
Joe,

That was a Monroetufline (or something like that) I saw on the web. I would expect that it is very similar to a Aer-way. Looks like it would do a good job of opening up the soil a bit. Mind if I ask where you are located in Texas (I was raised in Ft. Worth, now live in Australia)? Thanks for the input.

Ted



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TomH

06-14-2002 17:10:50




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 Re: Implements for Pasture Maintenance??? in reply to Ted Webb, 06-14-2002 02:05:21  
Another option if you are going to fertilize is to rent a tow-behind fertilizer wagon from the fertilizer dealer. A MF 135 should be enough to handle one that will distribute a couple of tons per load.

Couple of advantages here, you're buying the fertilizer in bulk instead of bags so the cost of renting the spreader is reduced, and you're not handling tons of material with your back. Plus if you want weedkiller most dealers will custom mix it in with the fertilizer. You might even be able to get a custom mix of fertilizer based on your soil test.

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Ted Webb

06-15-2002 00:40:52




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 Re: Re: Implements for Pasture Maintenance??? in reply to TomH, 06-14-2002 17:10:50  
Tom H,

Like that idea!! I'll be looking into that rental business, seems like the way to go.

I really don't know about fertilizers, would organic fertilizer be the way to go? Pros/Cons??

Ted



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JMS/MN

06-15-2002 10:06:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Implements for Pasture Maintenance??? in reply to Ted Webb, 06-15-2002 00:40:52  
In regard to organic or not- no matter how you replace the NPK taken off by the plants- plants absorb those nutrients only in the inorganic form, so if you use organic fertilizers, they have to change into the inorganic form before being utilized by the plant. If your source is cow manure, for example, the humus certainly has value, but to the plant, uptake is only in the inorganic form.



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Doc

06-14-2002 14:54:42




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 Re: Implements for Pasture Maintenance??? in reply to Ted Webb, 06-14-2002 02:05:21  
Not sure about your part of the country, but in the midwest at times I've seen pastures disced, in the early spring or late fall. Breaks up the surface, levels any gopher/badger holes, and generally keeps the pasture smoother. That along with fert/herbicides, and for some varieties of grass a spring controlled burn really makes it come up again!

Have fun...

Doc



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JeffC

06-14-2002 04:21:12




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 Re: Implements for Pasture Maintenance??? in reply to Ted Webb, 06-14-2002 02:05:21  
Just as F14 mentioned, most places that sell/deliver lime will also spread it. Lime may or may not be necessary if your just interested in growing grasses, and depending on what part of the country you live in. Here in the northeast, our soils are quite acidic (pH @ 5.7) and it takes a LOT of lime (2+ tons per acre at $30/ton) to bring the pH up to the levels necessary for alfalfa. On the other hand, most grasses and birdsfoot trefoil will do fine at our lower pH. Also, depending on your ultimate goals, you will probably find it a lot cheaper in the long run to address your phosphorous and potassium needs through fertilizing, and then seed a legume such as birdsfoot trefoil or clover to provide nitrogen. There's a lot of really good forage information available on the web at various Cooperative Extension Service sites. Try the University of West Virgina, Penn State, and Purdue (If you're in the deep south or out west you'll probably want to try something closer). Good luck.

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F14

06-14-2002 03:08:21




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 Re: Implements for Pasture Maintenance??? in reply to Ted Webb, 06-14-2002 02:05:21  
Do what works best for you, of course, but I prefer not to use herbicides on pasture that my animals will be grazing on. Regular mowing will let the grasses flourish and they'll drive most of the weeds out on their own if you let them.

A soil test is an excellent idea. Spreading fertilizer can be done with a 3 point hitch broadcast spreader pretty efficiently. Lime doesn't work that well in a broadcaster, as it tends to pack down and plug. A tow-behind hopper type with an agitator in the bottom works better, but with the kind of acreage you're dealing with, loading it from bags would be a killer. A lot of places that deliver lime will apply it for you with their spreader trucks, which is much more efficient. Never had it done, so I don't know what the cost is like.

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Ted Webb

06-14-2002 14:32:42




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 Re: Re: Implements for Pasture Maintenance??? in reply to F14, 06-14-2002 03:08:21  
F14,

Thanks for the tip on the herbicide. I'm with you, I prefer not to use it at all. I'll certainly go with the mowing scheme first. Jeff replied with some good info regarding nitrogen , legumes, and lime.

I'm pretty clueless about fertilizer spreading, will a broadcast spreader handle any fertilizing (other than lime) requirements OK?

Thanks for the response.

Ted



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F14...It should

06-14-2002 15:05:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Implements for Pasture Maintenance??? in reply to Ted Webb, 06-14-2002 14:32:42  
It'll work with anything granular.



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