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Manure Spreader Problem

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Chuck, WA

06-04-2002 06:04:31




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This is an older but not antique manure spreader. Based on green paint and yellow wheels, I'd guess a John Deere, but haven't found a name or model number on it.

From time to time - increasingly - the chain that drives the "auger" will either slip off the drive sprocket altogether, or more commonly, will slip off to the side of the sprocket enough so that the rollers get up on top of sprocket teeth and cause the wheels to lock up - don't recall if both wheels or just the one on that side. The chain, in addition to running over the sprocket that drives it and the auger sprocket, also runs under an idler.

Any suggestions as to how to fix this? When it slips to the side and locks the wheels, it almost looks like the chain isn't the right length to mesh with the sprocket. Does that mean there's an adjustment someplace - maybe the idler - that is used to keep it meshing properly?

I'd sure appreciate whatever suggestions you might have short of replacing the spreader - it actually is on loan from a friend. and I'd like to return it in better condition than when I borrowed it. :)

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Chuck, WA

06-11-2002 07:50:16




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 Re: Manure Spreader Problem in reply to Chuck, WA, 06-04-2002 06:04:31  
Thanks y'all for your advice. The last time I used it - last Thursday - I tried to pay attention to when it slipped, and it was on a sidehill. Looks very much like the chain is just too loose. I'll be looking into a replacement chain. By the way, it isn't a roller chain as I mentioned earlier, but one made up of links made from flat steel with the "roller" just the metal bent into a tube for the link connection. Sorry - don't know the proper terminology. I may post a pic if I can get one taken with a digital camera to see if somebody can identify make and model so I know what to look for. Will start a new thread if I get a pic. Thanks again!

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Bret

06-10-2002 06:39:41




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 Re: Manure Spreader Problem in reply to Chuck, WA, 06-04-2002 06:04:31  
I had a similar problem with my old IH 200. I replaced the VERY worn original apron chain with a used, but much hevier apron chain from a self unloading wagon. That's when I found out the old chain is #67, and the newer chain is #67H. The chain is made heavier enough that I had to get replacement idler sprockets to get things to work right. Good chance this is your problem.



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Old Iron

06-04-2002 20:03:13




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 Re: Manure Spreader Problem in reply to Chuck, WA, 06-04-2002 06:04:31  
Chuck,

If the drive sprocket looks to be in good shape I'm willing to bet that the chain is stretched out of shape and is going to be needing replacing. Call me dence tonight but I'm guessing you have a ground drive unit.

On my International 200 and New Idea 10A spreaders both units had worn chains when I got them. The best way I can discribe how to check for this is when you have the chain loose drape it over the drive sprocket. If it doesn't sit centered and wants to ride up on the next tooth on the sprocket when you pull on it, it's stretched out of shape.

My 2 bits worth,

Old Iron

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Chuck, WA

06-05-2002 04:52:40




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 Re: Re: Manure Spreader Problem in reply to Old Iron, 06-04-2002 20:03:13  
Old Iron...Yes, ground drive. I will check the chains. That's starting to sound like the collective wisdom here. Thanks!



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Chuck, WA

06-04-2002 08:25:04




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 Re: Manure Spreader Problem in reply to Chuck, WA, 06-04-2002 06:04:31  
Y'all...Thanks! Those are good thoughts. I'll do some checking. It is a flat chain - flat metal links about an inch wide and maybe 1-1/2 to 2 inches long, but with what looks like rollers where they connect. It's certainly not lubricated at all - dry as a bone - so I guess the owner doesn't do much with keeping the chains lubed.

I don't recall thinking that the sprockets looked particularly worn, but certainly the chain might be. The idler is a roller, not another sprocket, and I don't see a spring on it, but can't tell if it's adjustable until I take the guard off. I've had it off before, but the last few times have taken to just getting a pry bar up under the guard, on the edge of the chain where it is slipped to a side and giving the flat of the prybar a smack with a hammer to pop it back on - no doubt not the best therapy, but seems to work. I will take a hard look at it later this week when I have time.

Thanks for your advice.

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Farmer Gene (WI)

06-04-2002 06:44:47




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 Re: Manure Spreader Problem in reply to Chuck, WA, 06-04-2002 06:04:31  
The purpose of the idler is to keep tension on the chain it can be either manually adjusted or some of them have a spring to keep the chain tight. Also could be that either the sprocket or the chain is worn and needs replacing. When the sprockets teeth start getting sharp on the ends it usually needs replacing.



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F14

06-04-2002 06:43:41




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 Re: Manure Spreader Problem in reply to Chuck, WA, 06-04-2002 06:04:31  
Is this roller chain (like a bicycle) or flat link chain?

If it's roller chain, the rollers do wear out and get oblong, and the pins and bushings in the links wear out and the chain gets sloppy and will jump the sprocket a lot. Only cure is to replace the chain.

If the sprockets are worn, you can get the same problem. A worn sprocket will look like a saw blade, and the tips of the teeth will actually get sharp enough to cut ya. Normally the ends are tapered to a blunt point. Again, replacing is the only real cure.

Adjusting the chain slack with the idler sprocket may help. Also, make sure the drive sprocket, driven sprocket and idler sprocket are all in the same plane (aligned) if one is offset to either side of the centerline, that'll put side loads on the chain and make it jump off the sprocket.

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F14...couple more thoughts

06-04-2002 06:46:01




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 Re: Re: Manure Spreader Problem in reply to F14, 06-04-2002 06:43:41  
Keep the chain lubed properly, and check to see if the shaft bearings on the shafts the sprockets are on aren't shot and allowing the shafts to wallow around.



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Farmer Gene (WI)

06-04-2002 06:39:43




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 Re: Manure Spreader Problem in reply to Chuck, WA, 06-04-2002 06:04:31  
The purpose of the idler is to keep tension on the chain it can be either manually adjusted or some of them have a spring to keep the chain tight. Also could be that either the sprocket or the chain is worn and needs replacing. When the sprockets teeth start getting sharp on the ends it usually needs replacing.



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