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Implements for harvesting grass hay

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Chuck, WA

05-01-2002 13:45:20




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I have about 3 acres that I want to use for grass hay. I have a customer who will buy it at the going price around here of $100-125/ton. the problem is that I can't find somebody willing and able to harvest it for me - the guy I'd normally call is too busy with bigger jobs. Obviously, I'm not trying to make a living of it, just get some practical use out of it.

I have a MF-35 diesel and am thinking about the possibility of buying a used sickle bar, rake and baler and doing it myself - maybe also pick up a few other small such jobs in my spare time, or let a friend's kids do it to earn some college money.

I realize prices vary greatly depending on location - I'm in Washington state - but can anybody give me an idea of what I might have to pay for each of the three implements mentioned and what to look for? Of course, I don't need new, but also don't want to have to totally rebuild them to make them work.

I saw a sickle bar for $100 and rake for around $250 in one of the local advertising tabloids, but at the time, wasn't thinking along these lines, so didn't take a look to see what kind of condition they were in.

I'd sure appreciate some guidance, and since I'm a total newbie, don't mind if you tell me I'm crazy for even thinking it. At $100/ton, and probably able to get at 6-8 tons/year or more off my land, it might be a reasonable thing to do.

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Chuck, WA ---thanks for the ideas and opinions

05-06-2002 08:23:57




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 Re: implements for harvesting grass hay in reply to Chuck, WA, 05-01-2002 13:45:20  
Y'all...thanks for all of the replies. You've given me all the answers I was looking for as well as enough opinions and precautions to make me back off a little and consider whether other options might be far better than trying to "do it myself." I haven't made a decision yet, and until I do, will either let a neighbor put up a hot wire and use it for pasture or just bush hog it.



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Hal/WA

05-02-2002 15:01:17




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 Re: implements for harvesting grass hay in reply to Chuck, WA, 05-01-2002 13:45:20  
Are you on the wet side or dry side of our State? I would see what others in your area do haying. Would you have enough moisture for more than one cutting? 3 acres is not much area to own equipment, and really a baler and mower should be stored inside. And it is hard to get a real farmer to work that small a plot.

Have you considered fencing the area into a couple of different pastures (for rotation) and putting a couple of feeder steers on it to keep the vegetation down? When you consider the investment in effort to do hay and also in the equipment itself, $800 a year isn't much return. And if you sell the hay, you are supposed to report the income. If you eat the beef, at least it doesn't raise your taxes! Of course both equipment and animals can become total losses if they break or die.

Another consideration, and it is one I see more and more in my area, is just bush-hogging the acreage a couple times a year.

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Chuck, WA

05-06-2002 08:19:03




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 Re: Re: implements for harvesting grass hay in reply to Hal/WA, 05-02-2002 15:01:17  
Hal...Dry side, Tri-Cities area. However, I am in an association of small acreages that has enough water from the local irrigation district and a private pond for water storage that we have reliable irrigation. Folks who do alfalfa around here get at least 3-4 cuttings, and grass hay, as many as 4. I have considered animals, as well as renting pasture. Lots of options! Thanks!



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B.C.

05-02-2002 12:13:33




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 Re: implements for harvesting grass hay in reply to Chuck, WA, 05-01-2002 13:45:20  
You need to decide whether you're going to do it all or get somebody to bale the stuff for you after you cut and rake it.

The trade off is then the price and aggravation of putting up with a baler versus waiting for somebody else to show up with one.

Like others said a usable 7 foot sickle bar mower might run 200 or 300, and you might find a usable four bar side delivery rake for 100 or up. For three acres you don't need the best unless you don't care if you tie a bunch of money up in equipment. But it has to be something beyond total junk.

If you decide that you need a baler, the Massey should handle a JD 14T or NH 68 PTO baler okay. They can run anywhere from 250 up to 1000 depending. There are other makes out there but I would stick to one of those two, based on parts and manual availability.

Good luck and be safe.

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Jerry A.

05-02-2002 08:02:49




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 Re: implements for harvesting grass hay in reply to Chuck, WA, 05-01-2002 13:45:20  
Go for it!!
Have some fun! I would agree to put the most money in the baler. In western Illinois, a decent square baler that actually works will also run you between $500-1000. You can always spend more!
A cheap used wheel rake can be had for $150-300. A decent side delivery rake ("bar rake") on the other hand will run close to $1000 in reasonable shape. A sickle mower that works will run $300-600.

If you plant more valuable forage (e.g. alfalfa), you might make a little money. It all depends on who your customers are. A decent hay field may take 2, or even 3, growing seasons to develop fully (especially if you plant alfalfa). Good quality small square bales can sell for $2-2.50 around here, depending on the time of year. You'd be surprised how many bales you might get from a decent crop.

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paul

05-02-2002 07:06:46




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 Re: implements for harvesting grass hay in reply to Chuck, WA, 05-01-2002 13:45:20  
You won't make money, but since you are looking at it realisticly as a hobby, have fun. :)

Here in southern Minnesota, a good baler will be $500-1000 (JD or NH have good knotters, other brands you take a gamble, there is a reason those are cheaper...), a grass mower will go $300-700, and a side rake will go $300-700. That's for good useable equipment. Better deals can be found, but how much time do you have to watch farm auctions, or wait for a good deal?

If your land is flat & regular-shaped, you can do fine with a $25 old beater of a siderake, 4 wheels, 4 bars, whatever. Use that until you find a deal on an upgrade. :) I wouldn't scrimp at all on a baler, or your hobby will turn into a cuss-fest, and no one will want you to bale their stuff because none of the bales hold together.... Similar with the mower, for grass hay you only need a 3-point or pull behind sickle bar mower, might as well get one with a good sickle & good gaurds, hinge, & drive, or you'll be rebuilding it right away anyhow! :)

--->Paul

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lc

05-01-2002 20:24:28




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 Re: implements for harvesting grass hay in reply to Chuck, WA, 05-01-2002 13:45:20  
Check the Capitol Press if you haven't. If you look right and happen on to it you can get all the equiptment and the hay will pay for it by the second or third season. I have a 9N, swather, rake and baler, all for $1500 invested including the minor repairs I've done myself. A sickle bar would drop that cost from what the swather would run you. Just be smart when you look, and LOOK. There are some fantastic buys if you catch them. Just got a tentative offer for a free for the hauling JD swather. Loren

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Chuck, WA

05-01-2002 21:44:41




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 Re: Re: implements for harvesting grass hay in reply to lc, 05-01-2002 20:24:28  
Loren...

Thanks...but what's the Capitol Press? If that's "Capitol" as in Washington, DC, then it's a long haul since I'm in Washington state. Otherwise, that's encouraging information. A close friend has suggested that fencing and renting it out at $50/mo/head might be the better way to go. Right now, I'm really on the fence. I really don't need to make a lot of money, but don't want to lose money either. I just really want to get some use out of the land, and if I have to bush hog it anyhow to keep it under some control, why not mow it for hay! I will do some looking around.

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lc

05-01-2002 23:27:10




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 Re: Re: Re: implements for harvesting grass hay in reply to Chuck, WA, 05-01-2002 21:44:41  
The Capitol Press ag paper for the nw. Link below. It's a weekly paper out on fridays here in Eugene. I'd say the possibility of renting it on a /head basis is a good idea. Also, check around and see if there's a neighbor close that puts up hay that may be willing to deal on your's. Lots of ways to put it to use. Loren.

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lc

05-01-2002 20:23:53




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 Re: implements for harvesting grass hay in reply to Chuck, WA, 05-01-2002 13:45:20  
Check the Capitol Press if you haven't. If you look right and happen on to it you can get all the equiptment and the hay will pay for it by the second or third season. I have a 9N, swather, rake and baler, all for $1500 invested including the minor repairs I've done myself. A sickle bar would drop that cost from what the swather would run you. Just be smart when you look, and LOOK. There are some fantastic buys if you catch them. Just got a tentative offer for a free for the hauling JD swather. Loren

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chuck

05-01-2002 18:07:01




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 Re: implements for harvesting grass hay in reply to Chuck, WA, 05-01-2002 13:45:20  
there is a reason no one wants to mess with a small acreage. it's not cost effective. the baler will be your biggest cost to but an to mantain. you will not make money with three acre. I cut and rake and put up loose 5 acres. for my own use.



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mj

05-02-2002 06:24:49




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 Re: Re: implements for harvesting grass hay in reply to chuck, 05-01-2002 18:07:01  
You can get ahold of an old horse mower pretty cheap and hook it up to a universal drawbar on your three-point if you put a piece of channel iron on the mower to replace the wooden one that most of them come with. Find an old buck-rake to pile it up with and then put it up into stacks or windrow it and have your neighbor just bale it.



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mj

05-02-2002 06:24:06




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 Re: Re: implements for harvesting grass hay in reply to chuck, 05-01-2002 18:07:01  
You can get ahold of an old horse mower pretty cheap and hook it up to a universal drawbar on your three-point if you put a piece of channel iron on the mower to replace the wooden one that most of them come with. Find an old buck-rake to pile it up with and then put it up into stacks or windrow it and have your neighbor just bale it.



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