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John S-B

04-16-2002 20:52:33




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I have a 100'x100' garden plot that has a lot of water in it during spring rains. I was wondering if using a subsoiler would help it drain better. It slopes maybe 6" from the high side to the low side. Would it help to run a subsoiler in the direction of drainage? If I do this does it matter which direction I plow and disk in? I would be using a farmall M and single bottom subsoiler. How far apart do you subsoil also? ?Thanks, JSB.

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John S-B

04-18-2002 21:15:03




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 Re: Subsoiler Questions in reply to John S-B, 04-16-2002 20:52:33  
Thanks guys, that's some good info. The garden is on the high side of a small flood plain for a creek that runs on the edge of my property. It's about 1,000' from the creek and 5-6' above the creek. This flat area was last farmed about 8-10 yrs. ago. I have a grassy area about 400' past the garden and then it's woods, I may just rip a few lines all the way to the woods.
BTW, nice web-site shep. I have a #82 mower I'm restoring, my first Oliver piece. ( I'm more of a IH guy normally )

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John S-B

04-18-2002 21:14:42




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 Re: Subsoiler Questions in reply to John S-B, 04-16-2002 20:52:33  
Thanks guys, that's some good info. The garden is on the high side of a small flood plain for a creek that runs on the edge of my property. It's about 1,000' from the creek and 5-6' above the creek. This flat area was last farmed about 8-10 yrs. ago. I have a grassy area about 400' past the garden and then it's woods, I may just rip a few lines all the way to the woods.
BTW, nice web-site shep. I have a #82 mower I'm restoring, my first Oliver piece. ( I'm more of a IH guy normally )

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Hal

04-17-2002 20:23:42




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 Re: Subsoiler Questions in reply to John S-B, 04-16-2002 20:52:33  
It is better to subsoil when the ground is relatively dry. Also it is better to subsoil perpendicular to, or at a 45 degree angle to, the direction of plowing/disking. If you don't have deep topsoil, then don't run it any deeper than necessary as you will bring up sand/subsoil. If you only have water standing on one side of the garden, maybe you can get by with just doing one pass through the low spot. If you do the whole piece, then one pass each tractor width (5'-6') should be enough; don't overdo it. Good luck.

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Shep

04-17-2002 10:38:08




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 Re: Subsoiler Questions in reply to John S-B, 04-16-2002 20:52:33  
John, we have some wet fields that we were always having trouble getting into in the sping. Went to a DMI demonstration last year and they were showing off thier new 2500 4 shank deep ripper that is supposed to break hard pan and increase water flow, and goes in about 16 inches. So I rented one last fall and pulled through some of my wet fields, left it sit all winter and am working fileds now with no problem. I think the subsoiling will work or at least help your situation, it has for mine. Sounds like you have a deep soil compaction problem that is not allowing the water to get into or out of the soil. The ripper shanks sit about 30 inches apart on the DMI so somewhere in that area will be good to space your single shank out. Seems to work better ripping in the fall and letting it sit all summer and discing in the spring. You can also do some cross ripping to really loosen things up. Here are some ripping pictures under "farm scenes"

Good luck.

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Tom A

04-17-2002 05:06:53




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 Re: Subsoiler Questions in reply to John S-B, 04-16-2002 20:52:33  
John:

I'll just give you my limited experience, and you can draw your own conclusions.

I have two areas that stayed overly wet in spring and early summer. One is my 75x150 garden, the other a 200x500 bottom-land pasture.

After living with them for a couple years, I subsoiled what I thought of as 'drainage paths' in both.

Went back-and-forth, cutting the soil as deep as I could--probably 22" or so (Ford 8N and single-shank subsoiler). In the garden, I spaced the rows about a tractor-width apart. In the field, I did a fan-shape from the up-hill end coming to a point at a drainage culvert...so perhaps spaced 30 feet at the uphill end and all coming together at the culvert.

The last 2 seasons, both areas have drained well--been ready to plant weeks ahead of what they had been in the past. On the other hand, we have been having reduced rainfall here for the same time, so I am not totally sure it was the subsoiling or the lack of rain but it does seem to be much better when we do get rains.

good luck,
Tom

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