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screaminghollow

02-28-2002 17:02:28




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I was at an auction Saturday in central PA. there were several older small balers for sale., John Deere, and other makes. They only brought $150 to $250. I would like to try cutting and baling my small meadow (five acres) What do I look for to know whether they are seviceable and my 8N can power them? (Obviously, I didn't grow up around such equipment.)




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don pritchard

07-13-2005 05:40:47




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 Re: old balers in reply to screaminghollow, 02-28-2002 17:02:28  
we have a #50 oliver square baler which makes a very good bale ties perfect and then shears the pin on the flywheel all chains are tight so i do not think that it has jumped its time if anyone can give me any information or can tell me where i can obtain a service manual it would be gratly appreacited it an old baler but a good baler thanks don pritchard

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Peeler

02-13-2005 07:16:02




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 Re: old balers in reply to screaminghollow, 02-28-2002 17:02:28  
Where can I find new knotters or parts for a 1967 Oliver 720 hay baler ? Will any other brands of knotters fit?



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rem

03-03-2002 05:58:55




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 Re: old balers in reply to screaminghollow, 02-28-2002 17:02:28  
If you value your 8N, I'd stay away from the IH models 45 or 46. Go with any of the NH models.
The IH tend to wear the pto gearing very heavily on the older model tractors. Dad had a brand new Ford 3000 gas and an IH 45 baler. He got rid of the baler in a hurry. The pto gearing still has the effects of the limited abuse given by the IH.
I had a NH 273 and it was an excellent baler and was not hard on the tractor pto, etc.

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jim

03-01-2002 08:05:32




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 Re: old balers in reply to screaminghollow, 02-28-2002 17:02:28  
We ran an IH 45 for years,until the tounge finally broke from the back & forth jerking of the plunger. Replaced with NH 268 then a NH 316. Dad always said that the 45 knew more than he when the hay got too tough to bale because that was when the right knotter started to miss.
One word of advice - at the end of the season , thoroughly clean the entire unit , including the bale chamber , and lightly coat with oil. When you start the next season, you'll have no problems.

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paul

03-01-2002 06:54:31




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 Re: old balers in reply to screaminghollow, 02-28-2002 17:02:28  
Around here the JD & NH have a good reputation. All the other brands did not figure out how to make a good knotter in the early years, and you might or might not have good results. Tying those knots is the name of the game, stopping to do every 20th bale by hand is a _real_ pain.

Be careful of a too-cheap baler, thry don't hold up well stored outside, and there are a lot of moving parts that wear & cost a lot to replace.

--->Paul

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PCC-AL

02-28-2002 23:48:00




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 Re: old balers in reply to screaminghollow, 02-28-2002 17:02:28  
In the early 50s we had a 65 acre hay field that we cut and baled with Ns and JDs. The baler had it's own power, probably Wisconsin engine, and we walked along beside it to pick up and reinsert the wooden separator blocks between the bales as the others fed it with pitchforks. Then the bales were tied with wire manually inserted through the slots in the seperator boards. Looking back, it sure did take a lot of labor compared to today. Good luck.

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Val

03-01-2002 19:50:40




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 Re: Re: old balers in reply to PCC-AL, 02-28-2002 23:48:00  
But I bet the knotters were much more reliable.



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Val

03-01-2002 19:49:03




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 Re: Re: old balers in reply to PCC-AL, 02-28-2002 23:48:00  
But I bet the knotters were much more reliable.



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JMS/MN

02-28-2002 18:25:39




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 Re: old balers in reply to screaminghollow, 02-28-2002 17:02:28  
I disagree with the comments regarding knotters on JD balers. JD used the same knotter from 14T thru the 3xx series, and they work much better than IH, especially the 45. In '74 I baled 5300 bales with my 14T in one cutting and the only tie missed was when the twine was switching between balls. Later I was shopping for a throw baler, and the IH dealer asked a customer about his. He said he baled an 80 bale load the day before and missed only one tie. I bought a NH, still have it- a 1966 model which still works well. The consensus in our neighbor hood is if you want a decent baler, either JD or NH.

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Val

03-01-2002 19:46:26




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 Re: Re: old balers in reply to JMS/MN, 02-28-2002 18:25:39  
I agree that the 45 and 46 IH balers were not that good. However the 430 and 440 all-twine IH balers were great. Also agree you can't go wrong with the JD and NH.



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Don H

03-01-2002 19:41:51




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 Re: Re: old balers in reply to JMS/MN, 02-28-2002 18:25:39  
I'm glad you had better luck with your John Deere 14T than I did. Mine was good for about 30-40, maybe 50 bales without missing a tie, but in 5 years of use I don't think it ever made as many as 100 in a row without missing a knot. In our area the IH balers and New Holland balers were both much more reliable. It was my bad luck that I had a John Deere. Maybe mine was the exception, and it seems you must think so. I'm sure others would agree with you. I can only speak from my personal experience.

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jeff

02-28-2002 18:24:15




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 Re: old balers in reply to screaminghollow, 02-28-2002 17:02:28  
I have been baling timothy and orchard grass with a 9N for the last year with a small Ford Baler. If your ground is flat you can even pull a wagon behind. I would make sure your cut off knives are sharp and the chute clean of rust if you use a John Deere to reduce the hp usage. Some of the other brands have rollers mounted on the plunger and this is an even better set up for reducing hp consumption. The size of your windrows will have an impact too. It will work on hilly ground too but you will probably have to drop the wagon if there is much of a hill. The tricky part is getting the hang of popping your tractor out of gear and reengaging the clutch before the baler stops when you need to stop traveling while the baler clears. Your tractor does not have a live PTO and it will stop turning with the clutch engaged. Hope this helps.

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Don H

02-28-2002 17:14:15




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 Re: old balers in reply to screaminghollow, 02-28-2002 17:02:28  
Your 8N may be a little on the light side for a pto baler but for only 5 acres you can probably do it if you go slow and don't have any hills. There are a lot of John Deere 14T's still around and they were ok, although the knotters were a problem on them. The International 45's and 46's were better balers than the 14T, and New Holland 66's and 67's were arguably the best of the lot. Everything depends on the condition of the unit you are considering. A good brand that hasn't been maintained is worse than a lesser brand well maintained, since they are old. Good luck on your quest.

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Darryl J. Polak

02-28-2002 18:40:00




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 Re: Re: old balers in reply to Don H, 02-28-2002 17:14:15  
Baled hay 4 yrs with a 9n, bought a N.H. super 66 with a 2 cyl wisconsin on it baled 15,000 with it works great no tractor power to run it



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Ron

03-01-2002 05:19:23




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 Re: Re: Re: old balers in reply to Darryl J. Polak, 02-28-2002 18:40:00  
I always liked the old # 216....the side-delivery type... It didn't "work" back and forth, wearing the drawbar, and transmission... Ours was wire ofcourse, with 4 coils of wire.... In the 1950's Mom would punch out as many as 4,000 bales a day, maybe on 4 different farms, in 2 different Countys...!! Those were GOOD Balers..!! If you are not familiar with baleing...be damned careful...that pick-up will "suck you in".....

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