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Vertical v.s.horizontal bales.

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lpc

01-14-2002 16:37:48




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Wondering what percentage(rough) of balers bale with the strings vertical and how many horizontal? Mines horizontal but I've never noticed that about others.




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Roy B

01-15-2002 13:10:36




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 Re: vertical v.s.horizontal bales. in reply to lpc, 01-14-2002 16:37:48  
1pc; Some of the old NH balers, not sure of the model numbers, had the needles and knotters muonted on the side of the bale chamber, rather than the top. Roy



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Canadian Cowboy

01-14-2002 23:17:38




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 Re: vertical v.s.horizontal bales. in reply to lpc, 01-14-2002 16:37:48  
OH ok, i se what your asking know, your question threw me off, im like what is this person on about????

In answer to your question I woudl guess 100% of all bales make hay into bales with the twine in the vertical position. I have yet to see a baler that wraps bales horizontaly. This includes small squar, big square and rounds. I know there's some sorta allis C baler made in te 50's that made small round bales the size of small square.

To be honest I don't think it could be done unless the hay was fed into a bale chamber from the top . Where are the knotters going to sit "???? can't put them on top because the says loaded in there, can't put them in front because the plunger is in the way, can't put them under neath, never beable to service them, can't put them out back, bales going out there.

Hey if you know of any balers that wrap bales horizontaly please tell me, I will keep my eye's peeled from them, it would be a site to see.

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Joe,KS

01-19-2002 04:03:16




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 Re: Re: vertical v.s.horizontal bales. in reply to Canadian Cowboy, 01-14-2002 23:17:38  
the in-line balers knotters are on top of the chamber, but since the hay is fed into the bottom of the chamber the finished bale has wire\twine across the cut edges of bale, not the smooth edge as on the 'traditional' bale.



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lpc

01-17-2002 22:47:44




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 Re: Re: vertical v.s.horizontal bales. in reply to Canadian Cowboy, 01-14-2002 23:17:38  
It seems mine is an oddball. Knotters are on the left behind the tire. Hay is indeed fed down after the screw pushes it across. Needles work horizontal, of course. I'd like to know what year mine is if anyone can make an educated guess. It's a Case, I think a model 133? Wisconsin powered, flat belt driven. So far after the first years 400 bales no real problems.



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TP from Central PA

01-15-2002 17:06:09




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 Re: Re: vertical v.s.horizontal bales. in reply to Canadian Cowboy, 01-14-2002 23:17:38  
Not exactly- The older NH's, such as the 77(we got one), have the knotters on the outside of the bale chamber right behind the left rear wheel(looking at it from behind the machine). The twine box is on the inside of the bale chamber behind the pickup. The knotters are in a vertical position which means the twine is horizonal, as are the bales in the chamber. I do like the vertical knotters on the outside of the bale chamber to the ones on our 269 that are on top of the bale chamber. The ones on the 77 are easier to work with as you don't need to stand on a "ladder" see them!

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smirkey

01-15-2002 11:46:45




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 Re: Re: vertical v.s.horizontal bales. in reply to Canadian Cowboy, 01-14-2002 23:17:38  
doesn't the Hesston center feed in-line baler feed from the bottom and twine placed along the sides?



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Canadian Cowboy

01-15-2002 13:49:51




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 Re: Re: Re: vertical v.s.horizontal bales. in reply to smirkey, 01-15-2002 11:46:45  
according to my lit. Hesston are just like the rest, knotters on top!!!!!



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Dick Davis

01-16-2002 03:56:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: vertical v.s.horizontal bales. in reply to Canadian Cowboy, 01-15-2002 13:49:51  
My 1954 NH 80 wire tie has horizontal needles with the twisters on the left side of the baler (right at eye level when setting down on a stool).
Again they are easier to work on and they stay cleaner because the chaff falls away. You're right the hay feeds into the top of the bale chamber. I always assumed the vertical needles were to accomodate the downsizing when balers started being PTO driven instead of having their own motors. The old ones were heavy and made wider and higher bales than the little PTO models.

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