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RE

12-31-2001 18:37:33




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What kind of (4x5 bale) baler made in the last ten years will bale all day without having to climb off the tractor repeatedly to baby it along?




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Bob

01-15-2002 18:46:38




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 Re: Round Balers (Best) in reply to RE, 12-31-2001 18:37:33  
If you want a baler that will bale when you are ready, well here goes get a 855 New Holland,i have tried them all, this is the best for the money



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Big Jim

01-02-2002 11:54:23




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 Re: Round Balers (Best) in reply to RE, 12-31-2001 18:37:33  
RE,

I have had a lot of experience with round balers and I would recommend a 504 Vermeer. They seem to be the best value in round balers. The newer New Holland belt type are also very good but will run you more money. Gehl also makes a good baler, but sometimes they skimp a little and build them on the light side, resulting in a lot of bearing failures.
A word of caution. Stay away from the older balers with press rollers. Unless the hay is perfectly dry and your windrows are just the right size, the hay will be constantly wrapping around the press rollers, requiring a pocket knife and a lot of swearing to remove. My .02 worth.

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RE in Northern Pennsylvania

01-05-2002 17:50:08




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 Re: Re: Round Balers (Best) in reply to Big Jim, 01-02-2002 11:54:23  
I have our old Allis-Chalmers that always wrapped damp hay on the three main rollers, and it took a lot of Jack-Knife work and bad words to bale hay somedays. That Baler could tell you where the shade from the woods covered the end of the windrows!**! So that is why I'm here asking qustions, we bought that one in 56 and I don't want another hay wrapper. I'm looking for a Hay baler.



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RE in Northern Pennsylvania

01-05-2002 17:49:18




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 Re: Re: Round Balers (Best) in reply to Big Jim, 01-02-2002 11:54:23  
I have our old Allis-Chalmers that always wrapped damp hay on the three main rollers, and it took a lot of Jack-Knife work and bad words to bale hay somedays. That Baler could tell you where the shade from the woods covered the end of the windrows!**! So that is why I'm here asking qustions, we bought that one in 56 and I don't want another hay wrapper. I'm looking for a Hay baler.



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Dan

01-07-2002 22:26:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Round Balers (Best) in reply to RE in Northern Pennsylvania, 01-05-2002 17:49:18  
I didn't think round balers were in existence in 1956.Was it the one that made the real small bales?

Dan



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RE

01-11-2002 13:59:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Round Balers (Best) in reply to Dan, 01-07-2002 22:26:53  
Yes, and it was made about 1948. When I have time I still bale a few bales for feeding in the barn. If the hay is dry enough you can hear the clover stalks crack as they go in, you can bale all day with hardly any trouble.



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david

01-02-2002 08:05:00




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 Re: Round Balers (Best) in reply to RE, 12-31-2001 18:37:33  
I've seen a lot of Vermeer balers and been very impressed with the results. Most popular around here is the 535 JD. Vermmer dealers are just too scarce and the closest ones don't keep much inventory. Last year I bought a 1993 NH 650 (belt baler). My dad bought one new in 1991 and they have been GREAT. Thing I like most is they are 4' wide by up to 6' high. Can make a 4' high to 6' high and one is just as tight as the other (we ship a lot of rolled hay so width and height can be considerations, DOT worked me over pretty good in 2000 with some NH 851 rolls double wide double high, $1200 ticket cost me $600 for the lawyer to get the fine down to $100). Also have infinite hyraulic bale tension adjustment. Can make one so tight you can't get a spear in it. Price is right, too. Can get a good used 650 around here for under $10K. I baled about 300 this year with mine plus 100 bales of silage. Dad has baled 800-1000 per year every year since he got his. Never replaced anything but teeth. Only time I've ever had trouble was on real stemmy hay (fescue, no blade grass in it) and real dry (11% moisture). Hard to start a core. NH made a kit to solve this, welds 4-1/4" rods to the top roller. Dad'd baler had it, mine doesn't. Makes a difference.

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david

01-02-2002 08:04:03




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 Re: Round Balers (Best) in reply to RE, 12-31-2001 18:37:33  
I've seen a lot of Vermeer balers and been very impressed with the results. Most popular around here is the 535 JD. Vermmer dealers are just too scarce and the closest ones don't keep much inventory. Last year I bought a 1993 NH 650 (belt baler). My dad bought one new in 1991 and they have been GREAT. Thing I like most is they are 4' wide by up to 6' high. Can make a 4' high to 6' high and one is just as tight as the other (we ship a lot of rolled hay so width and height can be considerations, DOT worked me over pretty good in 2000 with some NH 851 rolls double wide double high, $1200 ticket cost me $600 for the lawyer to get the fine down to $100). Also have infinite hyraulic bale tension adjustment. Can make one so tight you can't get a spear in it. Price is right, too. Can get a good used 650 around here for under $10K. I baled about 300 this year with mine plus 100 bales of silage. Dad has baled 800-1000 per year every year since he got his. Never replaced anything but teeth. Only time I've ever had trouble was on real stemmy hay (fescue, no blade grass in it) and real dry (11% moisture). Hard to start a core. NH made a kit to solve this, welds 4-1/4" rods to the top roller. Dad'd baler had it, mine doesn't. Makes a difference.

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RE

01-01-2002 15:29:21




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 Re: Round Balers (Best) in reply to RE, 12-31-2001 18:37:33  
A Big Thanks to all who replied! After hiring neighbors (who are getting to old, or too far away} to bale for me I guess it's time to look for a baler, since I bought a New 1655 Oliver this fall, {New to me} maybe it can handle a round baler. And why I'm asking is the neighbors all had Gehl's and all problems, saying my hay was too short and too dry. Thanks again!



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Bob Semrau

01-01-2002 18:27:09




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 Re: Re: Round Balers (Best) in reply to RE, 01-01-2002 15:29:21  
I run a JD 510 round baler (not the best in the world, but the price was right) behind an Oliver 1600, and have also run a Vermeer 605 (this one was very old - no suffix - mid 70's vintage), so you should have no problems with your 1655. My only hay problems were when the hay was too damp - the 510 is very sensitive - hay will start wrapping around the incoming rollers - a major PITA.



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Craig

01-01-2002 11:13:55




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 Re: Round Balers (Best) in reply to RE, 12-31-2001 18:37:33  
I must agree with the others. The vermeer 504 is an excellent baler. Good tight bales, very little loss due to bales rotting and falling apart. Because they are so tight they shed water well. We put used motor oil on the chains every morning and grease the bearings and aside from a broken spring about every three to four years, no other problems.

Craig



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willyz

01-05-2002 04:41:48




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 Re: Re: Round Balers (Best) in reply to Craig, 01-01-2002 11:13:55  
I agree with Craig. The only thing I would like to add is that I wouldn't use "used" motor oil. Good lubrication is a good investment. I always use chainsaw bar oil, it is no more expensive than motor oil and sticks to the chains better and I think lubricates better. I only make about 150 acres of hay but a gallon would last more than a season on my Vemeer 504 C. I would always grease and oil the baler at the start of every day's baling whether I just finished 1 acre or 20.
Willyz

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john2510-3020

01-01-2002 09:03:45




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 Re: Round Balers (Best) in reply to RE, 12-31-2001 18:37:33  
go with a vermeer 504 super I if you can find one. they have heavier bearings in them and can bale silage too. the regular I can not because it doesnt have the guts to do it, i found out the hard way. when you have a heavier built baler that means you can put the hay up greenier too!!! not that you would want to though. it also depends on how many hp you have on your tractor. i have a 2510 that is 54hp and i used it and the super I to bale around 10 bales and burnt the clutch out...i think it recommended 60 hp...hehehe...before we bought the vermeer we had a hesston 5510(2 of them bugers)it would never tie the stirng and you had to baby it and if you didnt start it of right the bale would knot up inside it and you spent a whole day just digging it out, also you couldnt run very fast in heavy or light hay. JD's seem to be a good baler, my uncle had a 430 that he bought new in 85 and used it up until he just plum wore it out, he finally got a 466 or 467 jd baler this year and it makes tight pretty bales, if you get a vermeer or jd go with the net wrap you wont be sorry, wish i had done it when i got mine. oh on the vermeer reble baler they are even lighter made then the regular I series is. but it all depends on which you can afford, how much hay your going to be putting up and the hp of your tractor. hope i was of some help. drop me a line if you need some more questions answerd.
john

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Carp

12-31-2001 20:27:55




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 Re: Round Balers (Best) in reply to RE, 12-31-2001 18:37:33  
My family has custom baled with Vermeer balers since about 77. The last baler we bought was a 505 I that makes a 1400 pound 5 x 5 bale. It bales about 1000 bales a year and has had only one repair since we bought it in 95. It broke a spring for some reason. It is a great baler and is almost impossible to plug up. A 504 I is the same baler but makes 4 x 5 bales. I think the new Vermeer Rebel is about the same baler.

My 2 cents.

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Johnny in E.Tx

01-01-2002 08:24:31




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 Re: Re: Round Balers (Best) in reply to Carp, 12-31-2001 20:27:55  
Vermeer or JD, Farmer I used to work for had JD 430, 435 balers, 4 x 6 balers, we rolled hay every day of the summer it wasn't raining,even July 4th he never gave us a day off, maybe 10,000 bales per year between two balers, maybe more. Very tough and few problems. Neighbor has Vermeer and he swears by them, I got a Hesston 5545 and is biggest piece of junk I ever owned, it was cheap however, I am always working on it, makes a somewhat loose roll, never cuts string right,etc. but I only put up 450 bales this yr. with it. Johnny

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