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Brent

11-09-2001 12:26:03




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I just read a book that was written in 1945 called Plowmans Folly. According to the author a farmer need not plow his fields but just disc in a cover crop and plant in the trash on the surface. His theory was that all the nutrients stayed close the surface to help the next crop. I think this was the beginning of the no-till ideas. Has anyone farmed with just a disc harrow? and is there any merits in this book?

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Leroy

11-13-2001 17:46:25




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 Re: plowmans folly in reply to Brent, 11-09-2001 12:26:03  
The beginning of no til was a lot earlier. The one horse grain drills for sowing wheat, rhy, barley between standing rows of corn was no till back in the first part of the century



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Tom from Ontario

11-11-2001 18:25:15




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 Re: plowmans folly in reply to Brent, 11-09-2001 12:26:03  
Ed Faulkner had part of a good idea, but he was a fanatic about it. His books and ideas had a good application for a very limited acreage, like a market garden. Anyone who has tried to work down a heavy cover crop with anything less than a super duty disc knows it's ridiculous. Three to four trips minimum and you've undone all the benefit you're going to get from a cover crop. I read Faulkner very carefully and nearly memorized Bromfield and tried some of their stuff which sounded great on THEIR land. Watch your successful neighbours and if your try anything different, keep it on an acreage that won't break you. I know in our area, no-till has a very, very limited application. Been there, done that, push flush hard.

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JHEnt

11-11-2001 16:25:32




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 Re: plowmans folly in reply to Brent, 11-09-2001 12:26:03  
His tillage theories will work in certain types of soil. On the other hand it is known that nutrients such as phosphorus and potasium move vertically in the soil structure. They will seep down to a couple of feet deep. Nitrogen on the other hand will run off as it does not tend to move vert. So N from plant decay will remain near the surface. Another thing to consider is that in clay soils which are just a bit to wet the disc is the most compactive implement built. Its weight is supported by the thin edge of the blades and it will create horizontal compaction as well in wet clay. Also clay mixtures are natually low in organic matter. Leaving the trash on the top will slowly dissapate any organic matter below about 6". In this case you would be accually losing deeper living soil.

In parts of the midwest oldtimers used to plowdown covercrops such as sweet clover. Sweet clover is semi viney but if stood up the plants branches will reach 6' tall. By plowing a fully mature stand of this type of crop they built living top soil. The massive amounts of plants will rot down to maybe an inch of material but is spread throughout the top soil. This increase in organic matter would inturn increase microbial activity and populations of earthworms.

The fact is almost no one does this anymore. In my area we have a silt loam/ red tan clay mix. The pure notillers have heavy runoff and more ditches in their fields than those who do some tillage. Its not that a person should moldboard plow every field every year,(like was done years ago) but it remains a useful tool when needed.

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TimW

11-10-2001 03:38:38




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 Re: plowmans folly in reply to Brent, 11-09-2001 12:26:03  
At first glance I thought Louis Brumfield was back with us!!. He expanded his no-till theories in a later book, From This Earth. Great reading, but his financial resourses did't come from farming. Tim W



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Christopher

11-09-2001 17:21:27




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 Re: plowmans folly in reply to Brent, 11-09-2001 12:26:03  
Brent,
I have also read the book, as well as one other book from the same era written by a farmer in England who farmed this way, it does work, but you have to get your soil in proper condition first, high organic matter and bacteria & worm count, until you do you will have compaction problems, I have the wet, black clay that sticks to your boots, so I am working in a lot of cover crops and compost, as well as sheet composting alfalfa right in the field, I am not going to have any cash crops for a few years until I get my soil in proper condition. If you want to farm this way, (disc harrows only) you will need to do something similar, one tool I have read a lot about using with this method is a subsoiler, I intend to experiment with it next year when I can get out in the field, it will get rid of the compaction without burying the trash on the surface, another thing is, I don't spray any chemicals, these kill the worms and soil bacteria, which are essential, I am trying to reverse the effects of years of anhydrous ammonia, this will probbably take years.Anyway, I wouldn't do it unless I used the whole program and reaserched it out a bit first,I think it is a good way to go if you do it right though, moldboard plowing has it's arguments for it, I just prefer the other way, and if you treat your soil right plowing will be unnecesasery. Chris

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paul

11-09-2001 12:52:41




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 Re: plowmans folly in reply to Brent, 11-09-2001 12:26:03  
This topic brings up _heated_ debate in the farming forums such as www.talk.newagtalk.com or www.agriculture.com - you will find long threads on both right now in fact.

Where it works, it saves a lot of fuel, and topsoil on hilly ground. There are some areas, such as the frozen clay soild 'here' in Minnesota that would not warm up & dry out until June - it doesn't work dependably 'here'.

The negatives of it are more weeds, cooler soil, wetter soil, compacted soil will not get worked up.

But there are no hard & fast rules. In fact _this_ year my very best field of soybeans I had the cattle grazing on the cornstalks last fall. Disked it twice the last day of May, planted it, and it was the only good field of beans I had - I was figuring it would be the bad one.

I typically have 1 or 2 fields that get treated this way, and it does work - but I would not want to do the whole farm this way in my climate & soils.

--->Paul

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Tim(nj)

11-09-2001 18:46:44




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 Re: Re: plowmans folly in reply to paul, 11-09-2001 12:52:41  
We have the same problems in my section of New Jersey. This year, I had two field of soybeans right next to each other, both previously had been corn. One, I plowed, disked and harrowed, then drilled on June 1. It ran 60 bu. an acre. The other one was disked twice and then drilled on June 2, same kind of seed. It ran 40 bu. an acre. However, in 2000, I had the opposite results on two other fields. The plowed one ran 40 bu. and the disked one ran 55 bu. That field had been subsoiled during the drought of 1999, so I think there's the difference.

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