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JimS

10-17-2001 14:34:54

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I wish to acquire either a square baler or round baler that is narrow enough to fit down 9 foot wide vineyard rows, which is to say that it shouldn't be any wider than 8 feet.

Does anyone know who makes models this narrow? What should one look for when purchasing used balers? My assumption is that to do less than 25 acres that a well maintained older model should handle the task; true?

I would appreciate any input. Thanks

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Bogs

10-22-2001 04:27:40

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Re: Used Balers in reply to JimS, 10-17-2001 14:34:54

I guess my one question would be ...do you intend to mow and bale the hay in the vineyard. If so you will have problems mowing raking itetc. also what do you intend to do with that hay. personally i would not feed that hay to livestock if it is coming straight from the vineyard.

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paul

10-22-2001 05:13:50

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Re: Re: Used Balers in reply to Bogs, 10-22-2001 04:27:40

It might be difficult to collect, but what would be wrong with the hay once baled? Never been on a vineyard here in corn & soybean country... ;)

--->Paul

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bogs

10-22-2001 06:09:21

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Re: Re: Re: Used Balers in reply to paul, 10-22-2001 05:13:50

too much pesticides. you may bale hay shortly after the application of the pesticides

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JimS

10-24-2001 13:11:36

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Used Balers in reply to bogs, 10-22-2001 06:09:21

I figure if the grapes are good enough for human consumption they are certainly ok for cattle. Also, it is worth noting that we use about half the pesticide and herbicides that apple orchards do.

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david

11-05-2001 12:19:05

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Used Balers in reply to JimS, 10-24-2001 13:11:36

I don't usually like to get into some of these discussions but I have to take serious issue with the statement about if the grape are ok for us the hay should be ok for cattle. In 1999 one of our employees mixed 1 cup of of a common garden insecticide with 1 gallon of fuel oil instead of another common garden insecticide (he does not read well, we learned after the incident) and charged a back rubber. In less than 1 HOUR we had 17 dead cows, 21 dead calves, and 1 dead bull. Veterinary toxicologists said that this particular chemical (signal word Caution) is almost non-toxic to humans but is extremely deadly with dermal exposure to cattle and cats. One hard lesson. Bottem line was $30,000 in losses plus two D-6's digging all night to bury the dead and two $10,000 monitoring wells courtesy of EPA. This on a 175 acre cow calf operation. It almost wiped my dad out. Bottem line if anything is sprayed on the grapes that doesn't have a label or feeding interval for cattle stay away.

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paul

10-17-2001 21:46:25

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Re: Used Balers in reply to JimS, 10-17-2001 14:34:54

I think you will need a smaller in-line baler, or a round baler. The 'regular' square balers are all mostly around 8' to start with, and the tractor needs to stick out a few feet to the left also.

Any of the NH, JD, or Vermeer round balers should do just fine for you. They were/are made from 4 to 6' wide bales, feed down the center of the tractor, and are only about the width of the baler tires wider than the bale.

You need 60 plus hp, and a way to pick up the bales. Round bales are easier to handle (all by machine) and store outside somewhat better, but they bring a little less if you are selling the hay. Maybe check your markets & see what people will buy from you, small square, large square, or round...

Also, with a center feed baler, you will need some sort of V rake to get your windrow in the center of the vines. A side delivery rake will push the hay over to almost covering one row of vines. I assume you will be using some sort of self propelled swather to make the hay, but a person does need to rake that windrow sometimes.

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Dave

10-17-2001 19:05:52

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Re: Used Balers in reply to JimS, 10-17-2001 14:34:54

I have a J.D. 14T, and it measures 8' 10" wide with standard truck tires and rims on it. If you use the original ag tires it came with, it measures out just over 8'.

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Mike from Houston

10-17-2001 15:27:49

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Re: Used Balers in reply to JimS, 10-17-2001 14:34:54

Jim,
I've never really paid that much attention to the width on alot of square balers but I would think 8 feet would be somewhere in the neighborhood. Maybe someone with a manual which gives dimensions will post some for you. As to which type of baler to look for, New Holland and John Deere would be the most popular models for older ones. Some models I've heard alot of good stuff about is the New Holland 66, 68, 273, etc. Also heard alot of good news about the John Deere 14T and 24T which are pretty old balers.
One of the things to look for when looking at balers is rust. Some people leave them out in the weather with hay in them which gets wet and stays there. Take a careful look in the bale chamber and determine what type of shape the metal in in. I've been looking for one myself and have seen alot of them with the chamber eat away. Really sad to see that happen. If you find one, ask the owner to let you try it out or demonstrate it. Wouldn't hurt to ask. At the very least, turn the shaft by hand and try to watch everything move.
I'm pretty sure some more experienced guys will give you some more tips.
Good luck.

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Jim CT

10-17-2001 15:03:55

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Re: Used Balers in reply to JimS, 10-17-2001 14:34:54

Try the Heston round balers. I have a 530 that makes 500# round bales.They also make in line square balers that might do the trick though I am not fammilar with them.

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10-18-2001 10:14:04

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Re: Re: Used Balers in reply to Jim CT, 10-17-2001 15:03:55

Hesston (which had a partnership with IH and then CASEIH) made(makes?) the only small square bale inline baler that would fit your needs. If you go round bales look at the Gehl balers too.. I used to work for them.. they put ALOT of research and testing into their equipment and make pretty good stuff. They also "market" a small V-rake which you will need to rake in the small rows like another fellow suggested.... SOMETHING noone has asked.. how are you going to mow this hay in narrow rows???? any mower/conditioner (haybine) that narrow is offset and therefore too wide???? Good luck

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JimS

10-24-2001 13:21:50

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Re: Re: Re: Used Balers in reply to my, 10-18-2001 10:14:04

I am modifying a sickle bar to mount on the front of a tractor to mow the rows. I will then use a "V" rake to put it into rows that may be picked up by the baler. All of this is experimental and a pain in the butt (though it sure teaches me an awful lot), but with hay ranging between $100-$180 per ton every bit I put up myself helps.

Thanks

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Leroy

10-25-2001 04:01:00

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Used Balers in reply to JimS, 10-24-2001 13:21:50

What kind of hay are we talking about, grass or clover? Would have thought would be grass kept mowed like a lawn.

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John

10-18-2001 03:17:09

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Re: Re: Used Balers in reply to Jim CT, 10-17-2001 15:03:55

I have a Case-IH 8420 (I think that's the model) that is the same as the small Heston. Works great as long as the hay is dry. You may have to turn the bales 90 degrees by hand before picking with a spear due to narrow width.

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3020MSS

10-17-2001 21:03:52

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Re: Re: Used Balers in reply to Jim CT, 10-17-2001 15:03:55

Jim CT is right about the Heston straight line. I just happened by one at a J.D. place not so long ago. It would fall well within the 8'. I myself have a N.H. 65 compact and it isnt two far off that width either.

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bcPA

10-17-2001 21:02:58

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Re: Re: Used Balers in reply to Jim CT, 10-17-2001 15:03:55

15 years ago bought my baler a mf no 9. bought from private individual. was kept in all but last year he owned it. When I wasnt looking after we made the deal he snuck 2 new bales of plastic twine in to the baler for me. It worked just like he said also. I had some learning to do before I made good hay. made some 300 lp 6 foot long bales the first field. Also if the baler is like mine it is offset when baling. so a 8 ft wide baler behind a 7 ft wide tractor will be more like 12 feet wide aproximately. It is narrower with the tongue in the road transport position, but you cant use the pto shaft on it like that and you would run on the windrows.

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