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Knotters - Gear vs Chain Driven

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Bill VA

09-22-2015 10:02:33




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Reading a bit about the New Holland 315 and 316 square balers, next in line is the 565 and BC5050 in later years. Other than gear driven knotters, don't see much difference - the 565 and BC5050 look like the same/similar design that New Holland has used for many years prior to the 570/575 and newer balers, a design that IMHO made New holland a legend in hay making.

Are the gear driven knotters an advantage over chain driven knotters or an expensive wear item for repair down the road vs a simple chain?

Looked at a MF inline baler and was surprised the knotters on it were chain driven - don't remember how the Deere knotters are driven.

Don't know about you folks, but don't cost anything to window shop and as we have wound down the hay making for this year, I'm doing a what would/could I do if I were to fall into enough $$$$'s to buy a newer baler or snag an off season deal if the price were right.

Funny thing is - while I recognize the advantages of new, I like to keep my feet in the old too. IMHO the best shape making baler is the inline balers, but from an old standpoint, just like the side pickup balers like the New holland and John Deere. Reminds me of times gone by, almost like I'm reliving them again - a pleasant break from the day job stresses. Don't know if I'd want a NH 565 or a JD 328 if a deal came along, but it's a fun ford vs chevy exercise for me. I do want to put an Allis Chalmers in front of my New Holland 68, pulling a wagon behind and hear the governor kick-in on every plunger stroke - got to be music to the ears.

Gear vs chain driven knotters - what's the good, bad ugly?

Thanks!
Bill

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Bill VA

09-24-2015 04:08:56




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 Re: Knotters - Gear vs Chain Driven in reply to Bill VA, 09-22-2015 10:02:33  
Thanks everyone - very helpful info.

Bill



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RickB

09-22-2015 17:11:20




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 Re: Knotters - Gear vs Chain Driven in reply to Bill VA, 09-22-2015 10:02:33  
I got in a peck of trouble here a couple years back when I pointed out that despite the spur gears on NH 500 series and newer square balers, they ALL are driven by a chain off the main gearbox input. But they are. Take that chain off and nothing except the plunger moves. So the knotters are both chain and gear driven. To me, both are positive drive systems that work. Getting wrapped up on one style over the other will make you miss other stuff that you should be paying attention to.

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Bill VA

09-24-2015 04:07:41




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 Re: Knotters - Gear vs Chain Driven in reply to RickB, 09-22-2015 17:11:20  
I noticed the chain driven shaft too. Easier to replace a chain on a NH 316 driving a knotter or a pillow block bearing on a shaft on a 565.



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RodInNS

09-22-2015 14:12:00




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 Re: Knotters - Gear vs Chain Driven in reply to Bill VA, 09-22-2015 10:02:33  
Technically the Deere knotters are a combination of chain and gear... There's still a short chain at the front to drive the shaft that powers the knotters and auger. Personally I think the gear drive is a better system. I've also never been a fan of NH balers...

Rod



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JayinNY

09-22-2015 12:06:28




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 Re: Knotters - Gear vs Chain Driven in reply to Bill VA, 09-22-2015 10:02:33  
The early JD balers were chain drive, then they went to gear drive, iv had a 327, 336 and now a 346 they were all gear drive and never any problems. Myself I like the gears, kinda like a timing belt, timing chain or timing gears! Lol



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notjustair

09-22-2015 10:33:38




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 Re: Knotters - Gear vs Chain Driven in reply to Bill VA, 09-22-2015 10:02:33  
The 24 T is chain driven. Never had any issues - I actually had to picture it in my mind to remember which it was! I went to an auction last week where there was a year old Deere square baler. The ONLY difference in knotters is that now flexible tubing connects all of the greasing points rather than 42 zerks that are always covered in dust. Mine may be a low capacity machine, but I don't put up that many squares and I can spare a little time. It's long since paid for.

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