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NH S-69 Baler question

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Dave

09-29-2001 21:24:37




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I have a question regarding a Hew Holland Super 69 baler I am interested in buying. The baler is in nice shape, and when I was checking it out I noticed that when you turn the flywheel it will turn to the point where the plunger and knife assemblies are halfway through their stroke and they seem to run against something and stop. They won't go all the way through their stroke, the knife stops halfway towards being closed. I've looked in the chamber and I don't see anything that is in the way. Any hints on what to look for would be greatly appreciated. BTW: I also looked at a NH 269, and it goes through the complete cycle when you turn the flywheel, so I kind of suspect something is out of time on the S-69?

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Dave

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Harold hubbard

10-01-2001 04:38:59




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 Re: NH S-69 Baler question in reply to Dave, 09-29-2001 21:24:37  
There is a safety stop that comes up to block the piston during the tying cycle. Is it possible that the knotter has been tripped and the piston run back ahead of the stop before the tying cycle was complete? Also, the stop is spring loaded and will sometimes pop up if the linkage becomes disconnected.



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Burrhead

09-30-2001 11:52:31




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 Re: NH S-69 Baler question in reply to Dave, 09-29-2001 21:24:37  
The 69 takes alot more pressure to turn in the last end of the stroke even when not loaded up with grass

I have seen the knotter brakes be stuck and do the same thing.

I have seen the plunger out of adjustment and do that, and if you have the wooden plunger slides they may be swelled up or have rust built up in the chamber angle iron runners.

Are you sure it's locking up?? When a perfect 69 gets to the end of the slack they are hard to turn. That's how you learn to cuss like a Hesston man.

Just as you put enough pressure on the flywheel to turn it by hand and engage the knotter drive it will turn suddenly and mash the p*ss out of your fingers before you realize it has happened

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Josh, NC

09-30-2001 19:32:02




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 Re: Re: NH S-69 Baler question in reply to Burrhead, 09-30-2001 11:52:31  
Being "out of time" doesn't mean that the baler plunger won't complete it's stroke. The timing has to do with the needle arms/knotters and the plunger. When a baler is out of time, the needle arms are up when the plunger comes back, packing more hay against the needles, then breaking them off. As long as there is no hay in the chamber, whether it is in time or not will not have an effect on the plunger. The plunger has slots in it for the needles to come up through when the knotter clutch is engaged.

I have a NH 269 and it will turn very freely when there is no hay in the chamber.

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Burrhead

10-01-2001 16:23:09




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 Re: Re: Re: NH S-69 Baler question in reply to Josh, NC, 09-30-2001 19:32:02  
I did'nt tell the man his baler is out of time.

Since you brought it up tho if the 69 Hayliner or Super Hayliner is out of time the needle safety will most definetly stop the plunger before it can hit the feeder tines unless you have it disabled. It cannot hit the needles with the plunger but it will hit the feeder tines.

I've got both wire and string tie 69 Hayliners. They don't turn easy by hand when the knotters engage and never did. Not even when they were new.

I never had a 269 but I would imagine they are only different in body designs and maybe chamber size.

If you ever run a 69 model watch and listen. The tractor will gain rpm on the plungers back stroke and lose rpm on the pack stroke no matter if there is grass in the chamber or not.

The sole purpose of the flywheel on that particular baler is to keep the momentum the same all the way through the bale process.

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