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NH 273 makes ugly bales

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Dave Helton

08-30-2001 10:50:54




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I've been reading the post about balers and various problems, which has helped me to get a better idea of my problem. My bales are a bit lopsided. I'd like to use a balewagon to pick them up with and it just don't want to work with the bales I'm making. I'm not new to the hay business, but I am new to the baling end of it, so I'd appreciate any and all advice.
I think my problem is the knives, but I'm not sure. Anybody have any idea how hard it is to change or sharpen them? Thanks
Dave

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lpc

08-30-2001 22:09:08




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 Re: NH 273 makes ugly bales in reply to Dave Helton, 08-30-2001 10:50:54  
Sorry I don't have a clue about you baler model but I'm curious if you have a condition present that I'm figuring may be my problem with the same results. I hayed a very lean field and noticed it.

One fella told me it's because it's because there isn't enough hay going in fast enough, i.e., bits of the top of the packed hay gets picked up by the "packer(?)" and pushed to the bottom of the bale so there ends up being bunches packed at the bottom and the top a bit loose. My bales are loose on the top(the fed edge) and tight on the bottom(at the bottom of the stoke). The strings on mine are the same length, and the tighter the bale the less of a problem it is.

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Dave Helton

08-31-2001 19:04:41




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 Re: Re: NH 273 makes ugly bales in reply to lpc, 08-30-2001 22:09:08  
lpc,
I haven't seen that before. The problem I had with the smaller windrows was breaking about every fourth bale, I raked three windrows together and boom, no more broke bales.



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lpc

08-31-2001 21:24:23




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 Re: Re: Re: NH 273 makes ugly bales in reply to Dave Helton, 08-31-2001 19:04:41  
Thanks for the feedback on that. Next year I hope to have enough to hay I'll be able to figure mine out.



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Joe

08-30-2001 18:53:28




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 Re: NH 273 makes ugly bales in reply to Dave Helton, 08-30-2001 10:50:54  
I have a 273 that wasn't making good bales, either. Noticed that some of the hay stops (angled sheet metal pieces in the bale chamber - there are 3 sets of 2 and cost about $3.50 ea.) were corroded and torn and that hay was hanging up on them. I replaced just two of them and that made a world of difference. Made almost perfect bales then and especially worked better on tough hay. Also, almost eliminated some knotting problems I was having. Baled over 1000 bales with it after I fixed it and only missed 4 bales - when the twine changed.

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Dave Helton

08-30-2001 20:09:25




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 Re: Re: NH 273 makes ugly bales in reply to Joe, 08-30-2001 18:53:28  
I noticed tonight when I cleaned it up that the dogs(?) on the top on the bale chamber seem to be stuck. It was getting dark by then so Idunno if its the springs or what.



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Dave Helton

08-30-2001 11:01:46




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 Re: NH 273 makes ugly bales in reply to Dave Helton, 08-30-2001 10:50:54  
I almost forgot, I do have the operators manual, but it mainly talks about the fingers that sweep the hay into the bale chamber, I've been tinkering with them with limited success so far.
Thanks
Dave



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bbott

08-30-2001 18:00:47




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 Re: Re: NH 273 makes ugly bales in reply to Dave Helton, 08-30-2001 11:01:46  
Also make sure your 'hay checks' are extending
fully into the baling chamber and don't have
junk stuck under them or broken springs etc...

I've seen malfunctioning hay checks greatly increase my baler's tendency to make 'banana bales'if it's being underfed.

Other than that...ragged 'ugly' bales ?

Plunger shear knife/fixed shear knife sharpness and clearance... Bad shear knives will also make your baler 'strain' and start popping shear bolts if you start feeding a heavy windrow.

bb

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Burrhead

08-30-2001 15:48:02




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 Re: Re: NH 273 makes ugly bales in reply to Dave Helton, 08-30-2001 11:01:46  
Dave the lopsided will be cause by uneven feeding into the bale chamber from only 2 different causes.

The windrow may be too small or the feeder tines need adjusted. The tines are what you have called "fingers that sweep"

The ragged or ugly bales is caused by 2 things, either by the plunger side to side adjustment being too loose or the knife blade on the plunger being too dull.



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larry va.

10-15-2002 18:34:56




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 Re: Re: Re: NH 273 makes ugly bales in reply to Burrhead, 08-30-2001 15:48:02  
I like BURRHEAD ADVICE THAT THE FIRST THING I WOULD CHECK.



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Dave Helton

08-31-2001 09:31:15




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 Re: Re: Re: NH 273 makes ugly bales in reply to Burrhead, 08-30-2001 15:48:02  
I have run into the windrow problem before, which was solved by raking 2 windrows together. That made a huge difference.

I've been around balers all my life, but up until recently the workings of 'em might have been voodoo magic for all I knew about it!



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JWC

09-01-2001 16:13:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: NH 273 makes ugly bales in reply to Dave Helton, 08-31-2001 09:31:15  
Dave,
In 1972 we purchased a new NH 273 baler with a new NH 256 rake. I believe the purchase price was $3200 for both ($2400 for the baler and $800 for the rake). This baler was in use through the fall of 1992. Our normal use was10,000 to 12,000 bales a year. We had very few problems over the years as our unit was well maintained. It was only rained on once in twenty years and had a tarp over the knotters then. My vote for your problem would be the �Dogs� (have not heard that term in a while) mentioned earlier as haychecks. We never had a problem with windrow size but we made it a practice make one pass with the rake then overlap the second pass in the other direction so that all of the hay had been lifted out of the stubble. During the twenty years I think we replaced the knives twice, had the billhooks reworked about 1988 and replaced the bearings on the press rollers once. We sold the baler in 1993 after my father died for $1500, the paint was still bright and all the tires were original except one. Lack of available labor forced us to change to round bales or we would have kept her. We might still have the original owners manual at home, but they should not be too hard to get.

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