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Traction tires on ground driven implements

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Jim.UT

08-11-2001 16:34:59




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I have a MHF 36 hay rake which is ground driven. I have purchased a manual for it, but it hasn't arrived yet. I notice the chevron lugs on the tires are running the opposite direction of the lugs on my tractor. Is there a reason for this, or has someone put the tires on the wrong side of the machine? I notice the rake bogs down if the grass/hay gets too heavy or wet....my old pto drive rake never had that problem. Would swapping the tires so the lugs run the right way help much?

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Houndman

08-13-2001 07:50:12




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 Re: Traction tires on ground driven implements in reply to Jim.UT, 08-11-2001 16:34:59  
I don't know if this will help or not but I have a buddy that has a McCormick Deering #9 horse drawn mower on rubber and he was cussing up a storm because the wheels would slide in heavy hay. Well, one night we were sitting around in his shop enjoying some barley fermented soda and we decided to modify some old tire chains to fit the mower to see if that would help. Problem solved.



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Jerry D in NC

08-12-2001 05:56:07




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 Re: Traction tires on ground driven implements in reply to Jim.UT, 08-11-2001 16:34:59  
Jim, Now you see why MF is not still in the rake business. Alot of it has to do with three things and there are some adjustments to help but weight of the rake, ratio of the gear drive and angle of the teeth. A "less expensive" rake had less steel in it than some of the old standards such as the NH's. That extra weight held the drive down to the ground better. The ratio of the gear box means how fast the basket turns and the more it turns the better it handles moving heavier loads. The lower ration gearbox was less expensive. Angle of teeth is one that most overlook. The more vertical the basket is the "fluffier" the windrow. This also helps the hay to move as opposed to when the face of the basket is less than 90 degrees helps the rake to pick itself up on top of the windrow. I am not familiar with that model of MF rake but somewhere you should be able to adjust that angle. As for the PTO driven rake, you had a 45 hp drive on that puppy and no ground drive will achieve that. You traded weight for that and I bet that you had to slow down with that old 503 to keep it from climbing the windrow every so often. Key point is to advoid raking wet hay....LOL Have a good one

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Jim.UT

08-12-2001 20:11:59




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 Re: Re: Traction tires on ground driven implements in reply to Jerry D in NC, 08-12-2001 05:56:07  
Thanks for the insights. I'll look into adding some weight to the rake. Also, I know where the angle adjuster is so I'll give that a closer look. As for raking wet hay, 10-4 on that, but sometimes you just gotta. Out here where it never rains we depend on irrigation...currently in the form of wheel or hand line sprinklers. In my case I needed to cut my hay, but it was the neighbor's turn to water. The end sprinkler on his line was overlapping onto my hay. The only solution was to try to rake it out of harms way. As you can imagine, with each pass trying to move it further and further away from the fence I got progressively bigger piles of wet hay. I did finally get it out of the water.

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Jerry D in NC

08-13-2001 10:28:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Traction tires on ground driven implements in reply to Jim.UT, 08-12-2001 20:11:59  
LOL And I think I have problems just dealing with the weather. Goes to show ya that we don't need to let Man control the weather. Losing hay when it never rains.



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Steve

08-12-2001 04:16:40




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 Re: Traction tires on ground driven implements in reply to Jim.UT, 08-11-2001 16:34:59  
Our old tires had gotten so slick they would slip.... put some radials we had laying around...problem solved....You might want to check the drive clutch... Ours would go ten tire rotations then bind up and slip along for a second..this was happening before changing tires also....



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Johnny

08-11-2001 18:56:20




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 Re: Traction tires on ground driven implements in reply to Jim.UT, 08-11-2001 16:34:59  
I have never heard of raking wet hay, we have used the ground driven rakes for years and never had a problem, could you possibly add some wheel weights on the rims or fill with water? Johnny



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F14

08-11-2001 17:52:23




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 Re: Traction tires on ground driven implements in reply to Jim.UT, 08-11-2001 16:34:59  
The tires are mounted correctly. They are put on "backwards" because the the tractive effort is transferred from the ground to the tire, instead of the other way around.

Your slippage problem is why ground drive rakes went out of production.



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Jim.UT

08-12-2001 20:14:37




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 Re: Re: Traction tires on ground driven implements in reply to F14, 08-11-2001 17:52:23  
Click! Light bulb just went on with that comment. Makes sense now that I see the "traction path" is just the opposite of the tractor wheel. From ground to wheel, not from wheel to ground. Thanks.



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paul

08-11-2001 22:34:12




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 Re: Re: Traction tires on ground driven implements in reply to F14, 08-11-2001 17:52:23  
Ground drive rakes went out of production???? Don't let New Holland hear you say that! Or John Deere. That's all people use around here. I wouldn't want to pay the $3-4,000 of a new one, but you might want to check those sales catalogs....

--->Paul



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F14...Ooops

08-12-2001 02:58:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Traction tires on ground driven implements in reply to paul, 08-11-2001 22:34:12  
There I go, mouth in road gear, brain in neutral. Hadn't seen a new one in so long, I just assumed...



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paul

08-12-2001 07:33:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Traction tires on ground driven implements in reply to F14...Ooops, 08-12-2001 02:58:00  
I really don't know how a person can make such a machine cash-flow at that price! :) The bigger balers are going to larger V-rakes, and there seems to be a lot of older basket rakes at auctions for $200 - 1500. But, they must sell a few new....

--->Paul



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ken

08-11-2001 21:22:08




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 Re: Re: Traction tires on ground driven implements in reply to F14, 08-11-2001 17:52:23  
Well I hate that you cant buy a new ground drive rake anymore for my family used a AC ground drive rake for over 40 years did a great job of raking and yes it had the tires on the opiset as the tractor. but it finaly lost a gear box and we bought a new wheel rake has 8 big wheels made of long rake teeth materal and they break off all the time and it NEVER did a clean job of raking!
Makes a fast big windrow good for big round balers but too big for a square baler!! Wish i had my old AC back!!!!

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buck

08-11-2001 17:51:50




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 Re: Traction tires on ground driven implements in reply to Jim.UT, 08-11-2001 16:34:59  

Now Jim the ground is driving your rake and the engine is driving your tractor so the tires on the rake are presently correct.



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Dick Davis

08-12-2001 02:35:07




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 Re: Re: Traction tires on ground driven implements in reply to buck, 08-11-2001 17:51:50  
Yesterday at an auction I saw one farmers solution to lack of traction on a hay rake, he installed studded snow tires on his. Dick



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Bob Kerr

08-13-2001 18:30:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Traction tires on ground driven implements in reply to Dick Davis, 08-12-2001 02:35:07  
Yep! I have a JD 549LW rake and the guy I got it from put the old radials from his 4WD truck on the rake. seems to work ok. I also have a JD 549 steel wheel rake but havent had the chance to try it out yet.



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