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James

07-21-2001 19:43:46




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I have a Farmall 100 with a 5' sickle mower. I also have a Ford 600 tractor. I found a #1 John Deere conditioner. My dad has a New Holland 56 basket hay rake and a international 37 hay baler. Should I be able to handle 16 acres of alfafa.




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ksmith

07-23-2001 17:16:17




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 Re: hay equipment in reply to James, 07-21-2001 19:43:46  
I agree with the guys about the tractor. I just did some baling with an old fordson major ... no live pto and pulling a wagon. The old tractor really worked going up a small incline with the wagon on. Next time I'll bale onto the ground.



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James

07-23-2001 18:12:34




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 Re: Re: hay equipment in reply to ksmith, 07-23-2001 17:16:17  
I was hoping to use a wagon part of the time only to get up about 900 bales, just enough to feed to my 20 cows. I will take all the situations and pull the wagon only on the flat parts of all the fields and that way I can get a few rounds around the edge of the field which will be where the weeds are and so that I can manuvor around the windrows easier. The rest I am going to let horse people get the hay up in the field. We have lots of horse farms here in Raleigh N.C. but we have no one cutting alfafa. Thanks for all the advice.

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Jerry D in NC

07-24-2001 03:27:33




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 Re: Re: Re: hay equipment in reply to James, 07-23-2001 18:12:34  
OH But you Do. I live in western Wake county and we put up 226 bales yesterday. The Horse people in this area are extremely picky in their hay selection. Let me know if you have someone looking for some.



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James

07-24-2001 08:20:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: hay equipment in reply to Jerry D in NC, 07-24-2001 03:27:33  
I live just outside of Garner near the johnston county line. Around here, there is nobody that cuts hay and lets people get it up in the field. Since I am new at cutting hay, I am going to let my dad tell me how to do it because he has been doing it for 30 years. How much do you get for your hay. Do you live around fuquay or apex or even further west in the county? I don't no of anyone that needs hay right know but if I do I will let you know.

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Jerry D in NC

07-24-2001 09:52:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hay equipment in reply to James, 07-24-2001 08:20:27  
There is a reason that no one lets people pick it up in the field. Scheduling it with the general public, will leave you sitting there in a rain storm wondering where the people are that promised to be there at lunch and its dark and you just took an inch of rain on some previously pretty hay. Send me an email and we can discuss growing Alfalfa here but let me tell you it ain't easy and the equipment list just grew WAY past what you got listed

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Charlie

07-22-2001 09:16:08




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 Re: hay equipment in reply to James, 07-21-2001 19:43:46  
If your hay conditioner is 7 ft you may have some problems with the 5 ft cut mowing machine. The conditioner may be trying to pick up hay from the rows next to where you are trying to condition and create problems.



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JD70Jim

07-22-2001 08:07:32




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 Re: hay equipment in reply to James, 07-21-2001 19:43:46  
I would say that a five foot mower is really small and would take you a long time cutting 16 acres. Also, the #1 JD conditioner is pretty old, probably pretty worn out, and not likely to hold up. A #1 is something a "collector" would have to restore and take to a show. You can get a pretty good NINE foot mower. A pull type doesn't need much power and would cut nearly TWICE as fast as your five footer. The advice about the IHC baler, made by someone else is also very good. IHC never built a good baler, one that came near the quality and reliability of JD or NH!

My best suggestion would be to look for an older NH 467, 469, 477, or 479 Haybine. If your 600 Ford has 35-40 hp it should pull one, and a moco will save one pass over the field as compared to mowing and then conditioning. Also, you can set a moco to lay the hay flat for better drying if you want.

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James

07-22-2001 11:27:04




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 Re: Re: hay equipment in reply to JD70Jim, 07-22-2001 08:07:32  
How much would a NH haybine run me at auction in North Carolina. Also, would I need a remote outlet to pull the haybine. What is a moco? I am knew at this so I appreciate any help

The Ford has 31hp, would that be enough to pull the haybine.

Thanks for the help.



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JD70Jim

07-22-2001 11:58:09




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 Re: Re: Re: hay equipment in reply to James, 07-22-2001 11:27:04  
James:

A "moco" is a "mower-conditioner". This is the generic term for the type of machine. A "Haybine" is the same thing, only the term "Haybine" is New Hollands registered trademark name for it. Sort of like the way people call most facial tissues "Kleenex", or the way gelatin desserts are called "Jello" whether they are made by the owners of the trademarks or not.

Your Ford might be a little light for a Nine foot model. However it might possibly work with a seven footer. Here in Iowa, the NH models I mentioned are fairly cheep when you can find them. Most John Deere models (1209 or 1207) cost well above $1000, often over $2000 depending on age and condition. I would think that most older NH models are less than that. Perhaps you could find a 467 or 477 for under $500. I also believe you might need at least the capbility to run a single acting hydraulic cylinder. That means the kind of cylinder that uses one hose.

I do not know about your conditions either, but if drying conditions are good, you could get by without conditioning at all. A nine foot trailer type mower, needing no cylinders at all, can be had for under $250 almost anywhere. Take your pick of brands. JD, IHC, NH, NI, MF, anything.

JD70Jim

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James

07-22-2001 15:14:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: hay equipment in reply to JD70Jim, 07-22-2001 11:58:09  
Thanks, I may take your advice because the Farmall is getting worn out and I need it to tend vegatables. I think I may try to find 6' or 7'sickle mower.(3 pt) I also will look at the moco idea but I think I would have to a remote outlet which I do not. Also I will look around for a trailor mower but I have never seen one at auction.



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paul

07-22-2001 20:17:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hay equipment in reply to James, 07-22-2001 15:14:18  
I would not try a 9' moco on your tractor. I pull my 1209 JD with my 960 sometimes, but prefer a bigger tractor both for more power & more weight to keep it from moving me. You would need a cylinder port.

What model 600 do you have? Baling will not be fun if you do not have live (well, 2-stage) pto. You can do it, but it will take a bit more practice on your part to make small windrows and drive smart....

--->Paul

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James

07-23-2001 06:22:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hay equipment in reply to paul, 07-22-2001 20:17:50  
I have baled plenty of hay with this tractor and hay baler but most of it was straw.(wheat)The tractor will do fine with the baler but the conditioner is harder on the tractor. I may try to find a 3 pt sickle mower or I may try to find a Farmall 140 which would help me with other stuff. Thanks for the advice and if you have anymore suggestions, let me know.



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TomH

07-22-2001 05:25:45




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 Re: hay equipment in reply to James, 07-21-2001 19:43:46  
You didn't say where you live, but 16 acres of alfalfa should make a lot of hay. If you have the storage and a good market for it you'll probably be able to get several thousand dollars in sales. In other words you probably could invest in some higher capacity equipment and still make a good profit. What you have should work with a wagon and couple of helpers to gather up the bales.



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RMD

07-21-2001 21:03:56




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 Re: hay equipment in reply to James, 07-21-2001 19:43:46  
If it's flat, maybe. The 600 might be lacking in the brakes and power departments for hilly ground. The 600 will need to be running strong to run a PTO baler. If the tractor power and brakes are marginal, you might want to drop the bales on the ground rather than gang the wagon behind the baler.



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steve450

07-21-2001 20:21:32




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 Re: hay equipment in reply to James, 07-21-2001 19:43:46  
Be careful not to put too much faith (or money) in the IH baler. Do your self a favor and get a John Deere or New Holland. Everything else you have seems ok as long as it is in good condition. You will need a few wagons also.



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