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SAM (MO)

05-10-2001 07:34:17




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I need some help, I have a 46T baler. It is in good shape. The problem is the knotters, they keep wrapping the twine around the bale hook. Is there a good manual out there that shows how to set the knotters up correctly. Seems that I have a thick head when it comes to knottes.

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sam




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Farmer-Gene

05-12-2001 08:08:18




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 Re: Knotters in reply to SAM (MO), 05-10-2001 07:34:17  
I would try different twine, also make sure you have enough tension on the bales, also check the twine cutter knives. If you have access to a camcorder take pictures, then you can look at the pictures in slow motion.



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SAM (MO)

05-11-2001 10:11:50




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 Re: Knotters in reply to SAM (MO), 05-10-2001 07:34:17  
Here some more information on my knotter problem. The needle keep jumping back up real fast and it is causing the twine to wrap around the billhook. Now I'm thinking that the gears maybe worn out and not completing the knotting cycle. Is this thinking to far off? anyone had this happen to them?

thanks Sam



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david

05-11-2001 13:02:15




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 Re: Re: Knotters in reply to SAM (MO), 05-11-2001 10:11:50  
Sam,

I'm really confused now (easy for me to get that way). The needle should come up,twine disc grabs twine tucker fingers kick the twine over, bill hook grabs twine and ties knot, needles retract, wiper arm wipes knot and cuts twine with knife. It should all be one smooth fluid motion. If the needle is jumping or bouncing that sounds like a loose needle brake or a broken tooth on one of the gears. Just wear I wouldn't think would cause it. I caould never think of a case where the needle would ever come back before time to tie another bale. Nearly always hanging knots are either fouling on the billhook or the wiper plate needs to be adjusted closer.

Here are some settings: Twine disc 70# pull, needle to knotter clearence 1/32" to 3/32", wiper plate to bill hook no more than 3/32 and should touch bill hook with 5-10# drag, bill hook jaw pressure 5-15# and open 1/8". My email is [email protected] but I won't be back to it until Monday. Try completel removing all hay from the baler, get someone to help you by turning the flywheel while you watch the tying cycle in slow motion to see if something isn't doing what it should. One of the neighbor kids loves when I have baler probelms because I usually pay him $20.00 to turn the flywheel for me (cheap in the long run). One last thing twine problems cause more knotter problems than any other single factor. If the twine is or has been wet or damp (ever) pitch it and get fresh. My baler does best on either plastic or PREMIUM 10,000' sisal(I use Southern States Premium sisal or Bridon Cordage plastic, plastic for most because its stronger and ships better, sisal if the buyer insists or if I plan to graze the field). The 9000' sisal is larger diameter and just doesn't do as well. Some of the cheap twine actually has sisal husk in it and really gums up the works. Best of luck!! Without the book and the pictures in it I would have had to get out of the square bale business. Email me and I'll get back to you Monday

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Leon in Mn.

05-10-2001 20:19:31




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 Re: Knotters in reply to SAM (MO), 05-10-2001 07:34:17  
I have the same trouble when I tend to overgrease the billhooks (knotters). It will catch the twine and wrap it around the billhook. Just a thought.



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david

05-11-2001 07:13:49




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 Re: Re: Knotters in reply to Leon in Mn., 05-10-2001 20:19:31  
You are exactly right on this. I forgot that. The manual I have says grease about every 50 hrs. Just like lime, most people don't over do it, but it can be done.



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david

05-10-2001 11:54:53




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 Re: Knotters in reply to SAM (MO), 05-10-2001 07:34:17  
I have a 336 Deere manuel. It has great pics on knotter problems and adjustments. I am assuming you mean billhook instead of bale hook. If so usually its either needle adjustment, wear in the billhook drive (I replace mine every 25000 bales), or a little rust on or in the billhook. Turn knotter upsidedown (remove 3/8 bolt and rotate)and polish with emory cloth. My 336 has many 100,000 bales on it. I hooked it up two weeks ago for the season and started baling. It hung 2 knots on the left side on 2 bales, tied 1, hung 2 on the right side and then (after the surface rust had polished) tied 2800 in a row. It seems that even if you take impecable care of the baler (mines only been raied on once in 30 years) there will still be a little rust form from moisture in the air. Some of my friends spray WD40 on the knotters everytime they finish baling to prevent this rust. I use plastic twine and am afraid it will weaken it. Good luck, email if you have more ?'s. DAB

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