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Need advise on small tractor disk harrow

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Walt

05-07-2001 03:58:23




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Okay, I've just plowed up 14 acres with my '53 Ford carrying an old Ferguson 2-bottom plow. Now I need to get a disk to chop up the huge dirt clods and smooth out the deep furrows. The two options I'm looking at are 1) buy one of those 6 1/2 or 7 1/2 3pt disks (weighing about 850 lbs and costing $600) or 2) rent a larger (8-10 foot) pull disk from a neighor and buy a $300 hydraulic valve. The pull disk would obviously be more effective but the neighbor is worried my 30 hp tractor couldn't pull it effectively. Since I'd like to own a disk for future planting (1-2 acres) I'm leaning toward the 3pt disk, but some people on this forum have said they're worthless. If that's the case, why are so many sold?

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Scott(Ks.)

05-12-2001 20:03:55




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 Re: Need advise on small tractor disk harrow in reply to Walt, 05-07-2001 03:58:23  
They are scarce as hens fangs but if you can find an old Ferguson three point disk they are exceptionally functional. Both the front and rear gangs are adjustable from straight to full cut by individual adjustment levers. Nearly all new disks even the better quality ones have to be unbolted to adjust. These old disks were made in 6' and 8' models. I would reccomend the 6'. We used them when landscaping yards. You could go from severe cut to light cut in seconds. They are also made to float up and down front to back (not rigid)

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Wayne Smith

05-14-2001 15:22:45




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 Re: Re: Need advise on small tractor disk harrow in reply to Scott(Ks.), 05-12-2001 20:03:55  
I pull a 2-bottom 14-inch M-F plow set, then follow it up with a 6-ft 3-pt double gang International-type disc I got at Tractor Supply. The discs are the "bog" type (sections cut out of the periphery). All this works very well on my soil with my Ferguson TO-30. Might not work quite as well on clayey or sticky soil. (I really wanted a tiller, but my tractor ground speed was too great).



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Wayne Smith

05-14-2001 15:21:34




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 Re: Re: Need advise on small tractor disk harrow in reply to Scott(Ks.), 05-12-2001 20:03:55  
I pull a 2-bottom 14-inch M-F plow set, then follow it up with a 6-ft 3-pt double gang International-type disc I got at Tractor Supply. The discs are the "bog" type (sections cut out of the periphery). All this works very well on my soil with my Ferguson TO-30. Might not work quite as well on clayey or sticky soil. (I really wanted a tiller, but my tractor ground speed was too great).



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BlueLite

05-08-2001 19:23:01




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 Re: Need advise on small tractor disk harrow in reply to Walt, 05-07-2001 03:58:23  
I just bought one for my 30HP. It's the 2
stage older type with the rock basket on the last
stage. I'd go with the older type. If your tractor
can't handle the 2 stages unhitch the back and work with the first stage. You'll have to make a
double pass in the opposite direction to make up for the reverse concave of the rear stage. This
may compact the soil a bit, but if your tractor
is light there shouldn't be much of a problem
on sandy loam. You can weld onto the first stage
a rock basket if you don't have one. Use bed angle
iron. The older disk harrows were smaller and were
made for the older less HP tractors.

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Micheal

05-08-2001 05:55:48




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 Re: Need advise on small tractor disk harrow in reply to Walt, 05-07-2001 03:58:23  
I didn't like how light the new ones were made. Found the 3 1/2 ft wings off an old Massey Fergusson 35 20 ft disk and welded two of the wings together in a 'v'. Made a very good disk. Heavier than most new tandems by a lot and it has 18 in. tall heavy disk blades. Works very well behind my 8N.

Micheal



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Hal

05-07-2001 19:08:05




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 Re: Need advise on small tractor disk harrow in reply to Walt, 05-07-2001 03:58:23  
Like many things, there are 3-pt disks and there are 3-pt disks. If you are buying new, don't buy junk. Look at some name brands like Monroe, Taylorway or Land Pride. You must get it a little wider than the wheels, around 6ft. should be good for that tractor. Buy the heaviest one they make and be sure it has ball bearings and not sleeve bearings or white metal bearings. Of course if you can find something used and the price is right that would be the way to go.

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paul

05-07-2001 15:37:16




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 Re: Need advise on small tractor disk harrow in reply to Walt, 05-07-2001 03:58:23  
(You're going to want that $300 valve soon anyhow, so budget for it whatever else you do. Trust me.)

I think the 10 foot disk will be quite a load for your tractor, esp in fresh plowing. Eight feet or less would go ok. In many cases, faster works nicer with a disk, you don't want to bog down. Just used my 20' with a 135 hp tractor in unworked cornstalks, ran in 6th low range, was tossing dirt over it's frame, but cut nice & made a good seedbed for oats in 1 pass.

The little cheapie 3-point new ones are good for your 2-4 acres of planting, but you will cuss a lot this first year on 14 acres.... They are too light for serious work.

I'd get one big enough to cover the width of your tractor, or why bother.

If you plow, it rains in a day, and you disk 3-4 days later, it will disk much nicer. The rain will soak the clods up & melt them a bit for you. Around here (Minnesota) we plow in the fall, let winter freezing & snow melt mellow up the ground. Then any disk will work out. The spring plowing can be real tough if the weather is against you, end up with bricks & nothing helps.

Another option is an older used single 3-point disk. These are built a lot heavier, are about 12 feet wide, and go for $200 or less at auction. They only have the 2 front gangs, no rear ones. If you need full disking, you just cover 6 feet each time, it will end up doing the job of a double disk. If you just need light cover, a single pass will go pretty quick for you.

Back in '93 when it rained & rained, nothing else would move in the fields, so I did all the spring tillage on 175 acres with a 12' single disk & a Ford 960. (You don't need that much power to pull one). That was a long year.

--->Paul

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Dave in Mo

05-07-2001 09:27:00




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 Re: Need advise on small tractor disk harrow in reply to Walt, 05-07-2001 03:58:23  
I use one of the "cheapie" 3 point discs which is about 7 1/2 feet wide. It'd be perfect for planting 1-2 acres. We do 2-3 acres every year and it works well. I do wire on a railroad tie for weight sometimes but that's not necessary. It seems that good speed really helps. The convenience of the three point hitch means a lot especially if you're not making a living at it. Oh by the way, you can actually buy parts for these discs too!

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Tom A

05-07-2001 05:56:09




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 Re: Need advise on small tractor disk harrow in reply to Walt, 05-07-2001 03:58:23  
My 2 cents:

I've got a 48 8N, so we're roughly in the same boat. I bought a 3 pt disk from Central Farm a couple of years ago. It has been ok for my purposes, but does have problems.

It *is* light when the soil is heavy (i.e. either too wet, or when I've just broken new sod). When this is the case and I want more weight, I tie one or two concrete blocks to it so it 'bites' a little better. It will go down to the disk hubs in any soil this way, but if the ground is soft I can't pull it that deep anyway because the tractor wheels spin. Better to take several cuts, each one a little deeper than the next. The other 'problem' is that it is narrower then the tractor, so the wheels leave markes that don't get disked over.

Wheel spin will be your problem with a bigger disk not horsepower. "Molly" (28 hp when she was new, 53 years ago) can pull anything, but traction is typically my problem not power. My guess is that progressively deeper cuts would solve that problem with a bigger disk, too, though.

good luck,
Tom

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Jerry D in NC

05-07-2001 04:14:34




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 Re: Need advise on small tractor disk harrow in reply to Walt, 05-07-2001 03:58:23  
The 3pt disks have cut many an acre of land and will continue to do so. There are however 2 totally different levels of these disks. An older King is one of the best. These new ones sold at most farm centers are light and hard to adjust. The disks on them are thin and the weight is not there. They don't work worth a flip. An offset trailer type is typically a better cutting harrow because the weight is so much greater. Since the hydraulic wheel lifts and carries the weight it can weigh ALOT more. I too would question your tractor, I'm guessing a NAA, having enough to pull a 10 ft offset. Go looking for an old heavy disk that your tractor can pick up and use it. It will level that ground, I know I have set in front of one plenty of hours.

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