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Plowing Corn Stalks

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Mike

04-24-2001 05:11:48




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I have a 4 bottom plow that keeps clogging with last years corn stalks to the point that it builds up and rides it out of the ground.

Is there something that can be done to help the plowing go better?

Any help most appreciated!




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sammy the RED

04-25-2001 21:08:42




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 Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Mike, 04-24-2001 05:11:48  
Since we got 2 IH #710 Automatics we just drop and go. One is 6-16's the other is 4-16's. They only plug once in a great while.



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the tractor vet

04-25-2001 20:16:16




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 Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Mike, 04-24-2001 05:11:48  
Mike i use to plow a lot of corn ground and i know what a pain it is to plug and old plow , i use to have a set of IH 540 4x16 's that would plug at the first sight of a corn stalk , I found a set of dished YETTERS that used a 18" disc blade and after i instaled them i never pluged after that. They would start everything turning before it hit the moldboard ,they sorta looked like the coulters on and Oliver plow. My buddy and i use to plow together and we had the same tractor and plow setup all except the coulters until he say how mine worked then he installed a set on his plow ,you could even plow under a Maltafolol rose bush. Check around some of the old equipment salvage yards and see if you can find a set , they mount ridiged and don't swiveal.

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Alvin

04-25-2001 19:27:04




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 Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Mike, 04-24-2001 05:11:48  
We got a IH 4-18 model 720 and plow about 100 acres every fall, 30" rows, never look back, just plow. We also plow about 9- 10 inches, figure you need to move dirt to cover up the trash. We used wires a couple times before getting a better plow but the wires always got short when a wire would get between a share and a stone.



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Mike

04-25-2001 05:53:29




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 Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Mike, 04-24-2001 05:11:48  
Using a IH 16" x 4, don't have manual in front of me but believe model is 541. Coulters are smooth.



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paul

04-25-2001 17:03:04




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 Re: Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Mike, 04-25-2001 05:53:29  
The problem is that those models just weren't built with enough clearence for the high-yielding, narrower rows, high residue corn of today. Same for other color plows of this era.

Some of the suggestions below will help, but it will always be a struggle. A stalk chopper will help a lot, but for the cost, extra trip & extra fuel to chop all that stalks, you might just want to get a newer plow. I got a 4-18 720 IH plow for under $800 last fall, works well.

--->Paul

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Rick

04-25-2001 05:27:11




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 Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Mike, 04-24-2001 05:11:48  
Plow plugging. You don't mention want brand or model you have. I had an old 1400 series deere that was a real plugger. Because of frame design I just simply mounted another complete set of coulters on it doubling the coulters. It was a 6x16 size plow. This really worked on this plow. I used it until I pulled whole front end out of it. These were know for this. I now have 2700 serie deere and its just plain clear sailing period. These are not that expensive in my area.

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Rick

04-25-2001 05:26:18




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 Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Mike, 04-24-2001 05:11:48  
Plow plugging. You don't mention want brand or model you have. I had an old 1400 series deere that was a real plugger. Because of frame design I just simply mounted another complete set of coulters on it doubling the coulters. It was a 6x16 size plow. This really worked on this plow. I used it until I pulled whole front end out of it. These were know for this. I now have 2700 serie deere and its just plain clear sailing period. These are not that expensive in my area.

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Farmer-Gene

04-25-2001 03:45:46




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 Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Mike, 04-24-2001 05:11:48  
I used to have that same problem with my melroe spent more time unplugging it than plowing taking off the colters help but not entirely, I finally bought an IH 720 4-18 and am grinning ear to ear saving all kinds of fuel by not having to disc first and have never plugged it.



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Tim(nj)

04-24-2001 19:25:23




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 Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Mike, 04-24-2001 05:11:48  
Forgot to ask- do you have trashboards mounted above the moldboard?



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Mike

04-25-2001 03:53:01




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 Re: Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Tim(nj), 04-24-2001 19:25:23  
Yes, trash boards are mounted.



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Gerb

04-24-2001 16:06:14




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 Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Mike, 04-24-2001 05:11:48  
My dad used to add long, heavy gage wires to the plow to pull the stalks under the furrow. Somehow, the wires went under the furrow being plowed and tended to guide the stalks as the sod rolled over them.
I can still see the ends of the wires at the end of the day - they were worn to a sharp point.

Wires were 6 to 8 feet long and attached, I believe, to the coulter close to the frame.
We kept the coulters sharp too.
I'll try to dig up more info on how the wires were attached and utilized.
Gerb

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04-25-2001 05:32:24




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 Re: Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Gerb, 04-24-2001 16:06:14  
Gerb: WE used the same idea. WE used old teleohone wire thats about 1/8 inch and fairly strong. WE tied to plowed ground side of colter frame so that it was straight back to strip of soil the plow botton was just starting to lift for turning..it layed the trash tight unto the ground rather than let it fluff up. R



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Gerb

04-27-2001 17:26:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to to gerb, 04-25-2001 05:32:24  
What's with the "WE" ??
Gerb



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paul

04-24-2001 23:29:52




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 Re: Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Gerb, 04-24-2001 16:06:14  
Never used wires for stalks, but have for plowdown clover. E-mail for more info on how it works...

--->Paul



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Mike

04-25-2001 03:46:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to paul, 04-24-2001 23:29:52  
I'm sure we would all be interested in how it works, could you post it here on the board.

Thanks,

Mike



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paul

04-25-2001 16:56:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Mike, 04-25-2001 03:46:33  
Yup - got more time today! :)

Basically just get a thick wire (we have a small roll of old power line, too stiff to use for anything else!) cut it 8-10 feet long - well, longer is better.

Tie the wires onto each coulter, so that it hangs out to the right side of the plow between each bottom. Easy to tie onto a double-arm coulter, had to tie onto a little gap in the swivel on the single-arm coulters we have. It would be ideal to be coming right out of the right side of the coulter shaft - get as close to that as you can.

As you plow, these wires will get tossed down into the furrows, curves will form naturally, and any standing vegitation will get bowled over flat & turn under. Worked real well for plowing down tall alfalfa & sweet clovers. Never tried it in cornstalks, don't know how that would work.

Plowing clockwise is easy - plowing counterclockwise and you tended to cut off the wires as you put the plow in the ground.

--->Paul

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Dave in Mo

04-24-2001 12:25:59




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 Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Mike, 04-24-2001 05:11:48  
Mike, what are you pulling that 4 bottom plow with? That takes a big tractor with at least a category 2 hitch. How deep are you going with the plowshares. Your soil sounds like it's a gumbo.



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Mike

04-25-2001 03:42:53




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 Re: Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Dave in Mo, 04-24-2001 12:25:59  
Pulling it with a case 930 Diesel, around 95 hp, only going about 6", soil is relatively soft, plowed the last several years. Just had heavy corn last year 125-150 bu/ac. I will try bigger coulters as previously suggested.



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Mike

04-24-2001 08:34:35




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 Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Mike, 04-24-2001 05:11:48  
Thanks for all of your suggestions.

I tried to brush hog it, but is still clogging the plow, then ran the disk over it and still have the same results, then tried taking colters off, no better. Should have done it last fall, corn was pretty heavy. Don't have any other implement to try.

Any other ideas would be appreciated.



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paul

04-24-2001 23:27:46




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 Re: Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Mike, 04-24-2001 08:34:35  
This ca be MOST frustrating. Generally 'here' the plowing goes easier in spring than fall, so maybe you weren't better off trying last fall....

BIG coulters helps the most - 20" or more if you can fit them.

Time of day - light dew makes it just MISERABLE. Sometimes a heavy dew works better. Sometimes very dry stalks don't work so well. Some of the best stalk plowing has been during a slow rain (I have a cab). Need to catch this just right, sun, wind, dew, etc.

'Here' we have stalk shreaders, that are designed for chopping them - work like a flail mower. These help lots.

They made stalk wheels that would trail the plow, spin the stalks for the next round into the furrow behind the plow. Helped, but put all the trash into one furrow, not always what one wants.

I got real tired of my JD 145 plugging, got an IH 720 last fall, MUCH BIG improvement. Sometimes the only thing to help is to upgrade. :)

--->Paul

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Charlie

04-24-2001 10:40:20




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 Re: Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Mike, 04-24-2001 08:34:35  
Some of the brush hogs I've seen (maybe all of them) tend to produce a windrow which could be a problem. A friend of mine had a 5 ft flail mower I tried once and it worked great.



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Charlie

04-24-2001 07:40:44




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 Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Mike, 04-24-2001 05:11:48  
I run the disk over the field in the fall when I get done harvesting the corn. By spring the stalks have broken down enough they aren't a problem any more. Even disking just before plowing helps. A brush hog is the best method but a disk is a lot faster.



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Dave in Mo

04-24-2001 06:06:53




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 Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Mike, 04-24-2001 05:11:48  
Mike, I brush hog first, then plow. If I don't do this, then the same thing happens to me. Also, take the coulter wheels off if they are still on the plow. My 2 cents worth.



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dan S.

04-24-2001 07:33:42




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 Re: Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Dave in Mo, 04-24-2001 06:06:53  
why would you take the wheels off? I don't see the point to doing that. they are supposed to cut long stalks and roots, and plow better... at least mine do. could you explain yourself a little more.. Thanks



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Dave in Mo

04-24-2001 09:32:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to dan S., 04-24-2001 07:33:42  
To my understanding, the coulter wheels are primarily to slit sod ahead of the moldboard landside to reduce power requirements. Where we plow every year, the soil is not that heavily compacted and we don't have to contend with grass root systems. The clearances on our John Deere #52 2 bottom plow are very minimal. The coulter wheel swings right in front of the plowshare within 1". It always gums up with the corn stalk residue because the wheels are not sharp enough to slit the trash.

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Tim(nj)

04-24-2001 14:09:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Dave in Mo, 04-24-2001 09:32:37  
I was always told that coulters are supposed to be used in stalks. It's better to use notched coulters or serrated coulters for stalks, as they don't plug as easy as the smooth ones. In modern corn yields and its resultant trash, a lot of the older plows that have small clearances through the frame are rendered useless no matter what you do.



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paul

04-24-2001 23:34:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Plowing Corn Stalks in reply to Tim(nj), 04-24-2001 14:09:30  
I agree with Tim on all. Old plows just weren't designed for 150+ bu corn residue.

Small wore down coulters can cause more problems - time for new big ones. I've pulled mine off too in some conditions, but nice big coulters are always a help in stalks.

--->Paul



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