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Ron

04-02-2001 22:51:09




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I have 40 acres and have been trading the hay 60/40 to be bailed. This past winter I ran out and had to buy hay for my cattle. Is 40 acres enough land to justify the cost and up keep of the equipment? I may also have access to 20 additional acres for possible 50/50 split.
If so where is the best place to find good but affordable hay equip? I will probably use a bush hog to cut it and will only need a bailer and a rake for now. Someone in a local paper is selling a rake and a square bailer for 2,000.00 He said the bailer looks bad but works good. Is this too high?
Thank you

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REM

04-11-2001 11:03:11




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 Re: Please advise regarding hay equip. in reply to Ron, 04-02-2001 22:51:09  
Hi,
I've bailed a lot of small square bales overs the last 50 years. In my mode of operation I try to keep the equipment under cover. Next, you will need a haybine, baler, and a couple of wagons.
New Holland is the best for quality and price, and you can always pick up an old rake at an auction sale if the weather causes you to have to turn it. A NH 273 baler is the best I've ever owned or operated. One of the world's best knotters. Your may have to borrow a few coins for all of the above,however, you might get lucky if you are not in a rush.

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Stan

04-04-2001 14:03:28




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 Re: Please advise regarding hay equip. in reply to Ron, 04-02-2001 22:51:09  
Looks like you're getting ready for some fun Ron. I don't cut hay, haven't worked in hay much since I was a kid, but around here (north AL), I've never seen anyone cut hay with a bush-hog. If this is done elsewhere maybe some of the real hay-farmers can clue me in. Sickle mowers were the only thing used years ago, then mower/conditioners, then just a few years ago I started seeing the disc mowers, what a difference! Thanks and good luck Ron.

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paul

04-03-2001 05:20:30




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 Re: Please advise regarding hay equip. in reply to Ron, 04-02-2001 22:51:09  
I agree with what the others have said.

What's your location, & what type of hay? Grass, 1 or 2 cuttings? Alfalfa, 3 or 4 cuttings?

You'll want a better cutter for alfalfa, but I suspect you have grass. You'll maybe want a sickle mower in a year or 2.....

Round bales are a lot easier to deal with if you don't bale for the horse market. Your 50 hp tractor could make a small (4x4 or so) round baler work if you wanted to go that route. You make the tractor work more moving & feeding the bales, but you don't need to handle all those baled 2-3 times.... Your 50 hp tractor _should_ handle moving a 4x4 round bale, with a 3-point lifter. Storage is everything tho, if you can't get round bales into your current hay storage, then maybe go with small squares. Alfalfa keeps better outside than hay.....

Are you hand stacking, or getting a bale thrower? Hand stacking gets real old real quick with the small squares....

You said the baler & rake were $2000, but you didn't tell us what brand/models!!! A 4 wheel old steel wheeled rake goes $50 - an almost new 256 NH rake goes $1400. A IH 45 baler goes $150, while a 1980's NH or JD baler with thrower go for $3000 or so. Tell us what you want to work with! :)

I'd go for a good baler with your acres, something with some capacity & reliability. That would be a somewhat newer JD or NH baler. If you're going to skimp, get a cheap rake. You can always pass it on for what you paid for it, and get a better one. When the rains are coming, you want that baler working! :)

--->Paul

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bob

04-03-2001 04:46:19




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 Re: Please advise regarding hay equip. in reply to Ron, 04-02-2001 22:51:09  
if your job lets you take off in a half days notice It is real important to mget it done ay proper time if not better to buy good hay



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Tom A

04-03-2001 04:07:28




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 Re: Please advise regarding hay equip. in reply to Ron, 04-02-2001 22:51:09  
Ron:

Where you are has a lot to do with prices. I only have 19 acres and 27 hp tractor (when it was new 50 years ago) and started making my own hay last year.

By asking around locally and attending a few auctions I picked up: a decent rake for $350, a 6' sicklebar mower for $400, and a small square baler for $350, so for $1100 and a lot of my own time I have what I need to make decent hay...then the learning began!

If you're handy and have the time and a storage shed, I think it's the way to go...with good storage and maintenance the equipment will last a long time.

good luck,
Tom

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Ron

04-02-2001 23:25:51




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 Re: Please advise regarding hay equip. in reply to Ron, 04-02-2001 22:51:09  
I didn't mention that my tractor is approx 50hp. As someone just learning how to harvest hay would you recomend a square or round bailer. And what type should I try to find as far as price and ease of operation and maintenance. Thank you for your help. It just doesn't seem smart to give away 60% and end up locating and buying enough to feed. The first year we were here we paid to have it all bailed and it cost 800.00. Seems like I could soon pay off some equip for that price.

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JD70Jim

04-04-2001 07:02:47




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 Re: Re: Please advise regarding hay equip. in reply to Ron, 04-02-2001 23:25:51  
One of the most important reasons for owning your own equipment, is that you can bale hay when both the hay and you are ready! You don't want to get a weather report that rain is coming,your hay is ready to bale NOW and the guy with the baler will be around in "a couple of hours". That being said, sometimes equipment that is too old can cost you too, so buy the best you can afford. Small square balers are cheaper than big round balers, but you need a lot of labor (or a sp bale wagon). Around here, the high school boys want jobs flipping hamburgers, not manual labor so that is also a consideration. If you are in the Horse hay business, small squares are much better. If it's cattle, you can go with big bales since cattle feed does not have to be nearly as mold free as does horse hay. Most people with any kind of hay acres will want a moco, so that the hay will be cut and conditioned in one pass. Conditioning greatly speeds up curing time. In a wet climate such as we have here in Iowa in June, I also lay the hay as flat as possible and rake separately, also to get faster curing. You can skimp on the rake, off brand rakes which are older go pretty cheap around here. Only JD and NH brands are very expensive. An old New Idea or IH can be as low as $250, for a rake that if it was a JD or NH would cost $1000+. For your Baler you want reliable quality. For small squares you want JD or NH. For your large rounds you can add Vermeer to the list. For a Moco, get JD or NH once again, or perhaps a Hesston. Finally, you may want a smaller, older tractor to rake with, or pull hay wagons with if you have small squares. A small tractor suitable for raking hay could be as small and old as an AC "B" or an IH "C". Of course, pulling a hay wagon could require maybe an IH "H" or a JD "B".

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Tim(nj)

04-03-2001 18:06:31




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 Re: Re: Please advise regarding hay equip. in reply to Ron, 04-02-2001 23:25:51  
Did you get all 40 acres baled for $800.00? Did that include mowing and raking?. Where I live, mowing, raking, and baling hired out costs $1.10 per bale. Figure on a yield of 100 bales an acre, you're talking some money.



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Ron

04-03-2001 18:44:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Please advise regarding hay equip. in reply to Tim(nj), 04-03-2001 18:06:31  
Yes, it did include everything but he bailed it in rounds. Any suggestion on where I can find the equip?



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Ron

04-03-2001 18:44:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Please advise regarding hay equip. in reply to Tim(nj), 04-03-2001 18:06:31  
Yes, it did include everything but he bailed it in rounds. Any suggestion on where I can find the equip?



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Dick Davis

04-03-2001 03:27:38




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 Re: Re: Please advise regarding hay equip. in reply to Ron, 04-02-2001 23:25:51  
Where are you located? Location has some impact on hay practices. Do you have inside storage? For both hay and equipment? Large round bales store outside better than small squares. Small square balers behave better if they are kept under cover. Do you have control of your own time to mow rake and bale when the time is right. Hay quality really suffers when it is not worked at the proper time. Are you semi handy when it comes to maintainence and repairs? 50 hp is enough for a small square but insufficient for large round baler. Most of us justify buying hay equipment on less "requirements" than you have, go for it. Dick

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