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Salt Shaker

03-08-2001 13:04:12

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I am new to this site, so please forgive me if this is off topic. I recently purchased 20 acres of property south of Houston,Tx. The land has huge oaks and pecans all over it. The previous owners contracted a man to clear some of the land. It is obvious that he had very little knowledge of this type of work. I now have 10-12 very large piles of trees and brush that need to be burned. I will admit right now, that I am new to this sort of thing so I am looking for help from you guys. I would rather burn these piles (5-6ft. tall x 20-30ft. long) like they are instead of breaking them apart and doing a little at a time. This is where my question lies. A fellow told me that I couldn't possibly do this because the heat of the fire would kill the root systems of some of the large Oak trees that are in close proximity to the burn piles. Any help you guys can offer would be great.

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Robert in W. Mi.

03-16-2001 16:12:40

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Re: Burn Piles in reply to Salt Shaker, 03-08-2001 13:04:12

Why burn them at all????? ????? ? If you don't want the brush piles, rent a good size chipper, and chip all the brush. Blow the chips around, and they will rot down, feeding the remaining trees!!! Robert

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D13

03-11-2001 04:40:01

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Re: Burn Piles in reply to Salt Shaker, 03-08-2001 13:04:12

Having burnedmany piles over the years, I would agree with the guys below. Out here it is $850 if the fire department comes out to check out a perfectly safe fire, and more if they decide you are "unsafe" and go to put it out. Call them!

Second, if there are decent size (3" and up) trees and/or limbs in the piles, and not too much dirt, put an ad in the local paper for free "you cut" firewood. Better for the environment and you'll get "good neighbor" points.

If you can make long narrow piles and light the upwind end, the local heat shouldn't be too bad. I find that the heat will kill stuff 15' from the fire on the ground, bake out most roots 3' below the surface, and the smoke will kill leaves. Late winter or early spring are the best times as the ground is wet and the fire won't spread.

One other thing - if it's on muck or peat don't do it. When dry they both burn underground (think coal) and can be a real pain to put out (the heighbor did this. It was kind of neat to walk on a 80 degree hillside in the middle of December the next year, with air temps below freezing. It burned for 1 1/2 years).

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Joe

03-10-2001 18:49:10

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Re: Burn Piles in reply to Salt Shaker, 03-08-2001 13:04:12

we used to burn alot and one trick I found was to roll the brush pile into a long tight pile. the tighter the better. then add a little used motor oil and let it soak in, then just before you want to light it throw on some fuel oil and light. if the brush was just thrown on the piles by hand you'll spend hours trying to get it lit.

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taylor Lambert

03-09-2001 16:01:43

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Re: Burn Piles in reply to Salt Shaker, 03-08-2001 13:04:12

Being dirt mover me and dad have burn many piles, we saw a nice 30 000 dollar air destructour that uses a cummins engine and a huge fan to burn the pile. I made one that works good out of a 1700 CFM fume exhaust fan that mounts on the back of dads tractor. I may add a motor to it to free up the tractor.To get closer to the flame i took 10 55 gallon drums wleded in pairs to make a tube to stick closer to the fire. It burns fast and i usually burn the brush away from the trees first then laterpush the remnants to the pile or use a smaller fire to take them out.

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Catless

03-09-2001 14:42:51

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Re: Burn Piles in reply to Salt Shaker, 03-08-2001 13:04:12

Another thing to consider is having a local contractor or dozer collector come in and dig trench and push the pile in before you burn it, that way there is less chance of it getting away from you and you can bury the ashes after it burns out, A little money spent before hand can save several thousands in fines and damages if something would go wrong, Like others said to do call the fire department and let them know what you are going to do you might need a permit.

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Doug

03-09-2001 06:20:14

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Re: Burn Piles in reply to Salt Shaker, 03-08-2001 13:04:12

Lots of good advice here. Get fire department out there for advice. Never never never use gasoline to start fire. I know a lot of people at this site use both gasoline and diesel in their equipment as I do. I made the mistake once of grabbing the wrong can (thought I had picked up the diesel)to get my burn pile started. A helicopter ride and three weeks in the burn unit I was back on my feet. This was two years ago and I still have the scars. You can't be too careful with fire.

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Haybaler

03-09-2001 05:47:26

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Re: Burn Piles in reply to Salt Shaker, 03-08-2001 13:04:12

I guess location is everything. In SeMo people would be fightin over these piles to cut the firewood out of them.

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rhudson

03-08-2001 22:11:56

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Re: Burn Piles in reply to Salt Shaker, 03-08-2001 13:04:12

like AD suggest, fire stop plowed in. wait for rain, use fuel oil as accelerant if necessary. never never never gasoline. i've seen wood piles blown 3 feet off the ground, i've seen fumes flash back 50 feet to the gas can and burn it. its just too volitule. oaks have roots near the top of the soil and any hot smoke will kill the leaves so i hope they are not too close to trees you don't want damaged. check weather for wind, notify local fire dept. and give accurate directions to burn site. this helps so they will not react to every person that calls in smelling smoke but keeps them ready if help is needed. if there is an inverson (cold front holding down a warm front or something like that) the smoke will hug the ground and stay in place. this could cause trouble around highways and give you front page coverage in local paper. sorry to run on but its a helpless feeling when burning goes wrong.

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03-08-2001 16:19:28

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Re: Burn Piles in reply to Salt Shaker, 03-08-2001 13:04:12

I doubt the ash residue (lye) would be enought to hurt the oak but the heat from the fires if real intense would do more harm to the limbs of the near by trees. Set your fires at one end and allow to progress end to end instead of setting fires all along the length of the windrows. It will be less intense that way. Make sure you have tractor with disk or blade handy to control the fire should it spread to surrounding vegetation.I like to burn brush piles just as we are due to have a rain or starts to rain as that helps keep the fires from becoming to intense AD

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F14...He may be right...

03-08-2001 14:41:25

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Re: Burn Piles in reply to Salt Shaker, 03-08-2001 13:04:12

Depends on the soil type and the distance.

Best advice I can give is to contact the local fire department. They'll be able to give you a lot of pointers, and may even be able to work some sort of training exercise out of it.

My department is always looking for training opportunities.

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