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NH thrower on JD baler- can it be done?

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Tim(nj)

02-26-2001 17:33:23




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I really like my JD 336 baler, which is in very good shape. The #30 bale ejector on it, however, is not original to the baler and is worn out. I don't particulary care for the troublesome hydraulic kicker pan anyway. I was wondering if it would be feasible to take a hydraulically-driven New Holland belt thrower and mount it on the back of the 336, and put the drive pump on the baler where the existing pump is now for the #30. I'm not familiar with the model numbers of the NH throwers, so if somebody could give me model numbers for NH hydraulic drive throwers, I'd appreciate it. Any suggestions and ideas will also be appreciated. Thanks.

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Casey in Ky

02-27-2001 18:24:19




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 Re: NH thrower on JD baler- can it be done? in reply to Tim(nj), 02-26-2001 17:33:23  
I'd imagine that it could be done, and truth be told, probably with very little modification. If one was to compare the bale chute between Deere and NH, I'd say you wouldn't find much difference.

I don't use a thrower but I do bale with a NH equipment and try to stay as up to date as I can on their stuff. I beleive the model numbers on their thrower's are 70 and 71...71 being the newest, but don't hold me to it. They are supposed to be a lot better than NH's older throwers.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Deere's got a newer model pan thrower...model 40 maybe?? You might want to check into that, might be another option.

Hope this helps a little. Casey

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Gehl

02-27-2001 21:29:57




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 Re: Re: NH thrower on JD baler- can it be done? in reply to Casey in Ky, 02-27-2001 18:24:19  
I am not sure, but I have been told that the JD has a slightly wider bale chamber than the NH balers. Is this right?????



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Casey in Ky

02-28-2001 18:04:50




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 Re: Re: Re: NH thrower on JD baler- can it be done? in reply to Gehl, 02-27-2001 21:29:57  
NH's 565, 570, and 575 all make 14x18 bales. The 580 makes a 16x18 bale. Deere's 328, 338, and 348 all make 14x18 bales(the 336 also makes 14x18 bales). As far as I know they don't make anything bigger(with the exception of the model 100, which is the big square), but I could be wrong. Outside dimentions could be different, I just assumed that it wouldn't be much.

Casey



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Tim(nj)

02-28-2001 19:28:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: NH thrower on JD baler- can it be done? in reply to Casey in Ky, 02-28-2001 18:04:50  
Well, Casey, I found out that the hydraulic pan kicker that New Holland sold during the 80's and 90's was made by Deere, so the width can't be all that much different. I can fabricate mounting brackets if needed for the NH thrower. The problem with the Deere style throwers is all the moving parts and the shock load on on the bale case every time the thing shoots up and slams back. That eventually forms stress cracks. The constant running belt thrower would be less stressful on the baler and would be easier to maintain, I believe. I still have to determine what the hydraulic needs are of a NH thrower, so I can mount the correct pump. My baler already has a pump mount by the flywheel for the ejector, so I shouldn't have to do any fabrication up there. The existing wagon hitch should work, too. Now I just have to locate the right thrower. BTW, I checked out the #40 thrower, but the ones that I have seen for sale by themselves (very few) cost almost as much as my baler is worth. I'll have to do some more investigating. Thanks for the help.

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keith

03-02-2001 16:52:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NH thrower on JD baler- can it be done? in reply to Tim(nj), 02-28-2001 19:28:56  
The hydraulic thrower made by New Holland was MADE by New Holland. Deere was never involved in any way with this unit. I was there!



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Tim(nj)

03-02-2001 17:24:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NH thrower on JD baler- can it be done? in reply to keith, 03-02-2001 16:52:44  
I stand corrected.



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Charlie

02-27-2001 12:05:10




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 Re: NH thrower on JD baler- can it be done? in reply to Tim(nj), 02-26-2001 17:33:23  
I had always heard that JD made the best thrower. I have seen a JD throw bales past the back of a wagon. My Dad had a NH baler in the early 60's with a thrower and it couldn't get bales to the back of the wagon no matter what we did to it. The distance the bales were thrown was the result of belt tightness which could be changed on the fly. We could never get them tight enough. I don't know what NH may have done in the way of improvements over the years.

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Gehl

02-27-2001 21:28:29




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 Re: Re: NH thrower on JD baler- can it be done? in reply to Charlie, 02-27-2001 12:05:10  
I had a older NH with the same problem you mentioned. Manay of the newer NH throwers run off a hydraulic pump, and are alot easier to control than the old ones. Curently I have a JD 327 with a model 40 thrower. It is very easy to control, but does take some time to get used to how to control it so you don't end up with alot of bales on the ground. Eithor of the newer JD or NH throwers are alot better than the older ones.

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Dan S.

02-27-2001 11:34:24




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 Re: NH thrower on JD baler- can it be done? in reply to Tim(nj), 02-26-2001 17:33:23  
I have seen NH trowers on JD balers and JD throwers on NH balers. But never had a chance to look and see if there was alot of modifications that had to be done. Try it, the worst that could happen is you might have to modify a few things in the process. Good Luck!



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