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Making a special sub-soiler

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Tyler(WA)

01-26-2001 11:07:20




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I have a MF2135 (135) with about 35hp. I want to design a sub-soiler to also lay in direct bury romex wire and perhaps 3/4" to 1" water line.

My question is... How deep can my tractor plant a chisel plow and keep it moving? Our soil is mostly sand and rock with little clay (if any.)

How thick should I make the shank? (I was planning on 1")

What would you recommend for a cross member? (5/16" 4x4 box tube?)

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Dave in Mo

01-28-2001 08:57:18




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 Re: Making a special sub-soiler in reply to Tyler(WA), 01-26-2001 11:07:20  
Tyler, you'd better check on your frostline requirements for the waterpipe. I'm sure it at least 18" and if that is so, I don't think you have a big enough tractor (unless you make multiple passes). I'd work some overtime and then buy a commercial ripper from someone like www.Worksaver.com.



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taylor tractornut

01-27-2001 17:29:06




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 Re: Making a special sub-soiler in reply to Tyler(WA), 01-26-2001 11:07:20  
I have a set of blue prints in a 1958 popular mechanics book ill scan they have exactly whay your talking about. Ive built them but i made a modification to mine i made an inverted v shape to cover the pipe up and also a rear compation wheel. ive put a few weight boxes on it to just incase. we pull it behing a YM3000 Yanmar.



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taylor lambert

01-28-2001 20:45:18




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 Re: Re: Making a special sub-soiler in reply to taylor tractornut, 01-27-2001 17:29:06  
can some one explain to me how to post a picture, sorry im tractor accelerated and computer deceelerated



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Dave CO

01-28-2001 05:37:26




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 Re: Re: Making a special sub-soiler in reply to taylor tractornut, 01-27-2001 17:29:06  
Please post the scan here, it would be a great help to me as well
Thanks Dave



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BFO

01-26-2001 14:31:32




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 Re: Making a special sub-soiler in reply to Tyler(WA), 01-26-2001 11:07:20  
I've done this two different ways. What you might consider is 4x4 solid, with 1 1/4 x 4 flat bar for the shank. Most sub soiler shoes that you can buy from a dealer are 1 1/2- 1 1/4, but you can also make a custom shoe and hard face it. Set up a guide and you can chamfer the leading edge of the shank with your torch, then the ground won't be disturbed as much after you get to the depth. You should be able to get down 20 inches with a single shank. Bolt a piece of tube to the back of the shank to run the wire, and you're all set. Make the shank removeable, and you also have a tool bar for mounting chisel plow shanks, coulters, culivator teeth, etc....BTDT, the heavier the better!

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tommyw

01-26-2001 15:14:44




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 Re: Re: Making a special sub-soiler in reply to BFO, 01-26-2001 14:31:32  
a cheisel plow takes 10-15 hp. per shank a subsoiler takes 20-25 this will depend on soil type and depth .thats the rule of thumb i use.



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Tim(nj)

01-26-2001 19:52:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Making a special sub-soiler in reply to tommyw, 01-26-2001 15:14:44  
I recommend ballasting both the rear wheels and the front end for subsoiling, as well.



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kim hartshorn

01-26-2001 12:21:24




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 Re: Making a special sub-soiler in reply to Tyler(WA), 01-26-2001 11:07:20  
I tried making one of these exact things last year to use in sandy soil....i welded a box tube from two pieces of 2 1/2 " angle for the shank and mounted it on a impliment bar made from the same 2 1/2" angle...it worked great...until i hit the first thick root. The 20hp 4wd tractor pulled it straight through the root but not before bending the box tube about an inch and twisting the implement bar like a pretzel :-)


Use beefier stuff :-) I still havent gone back to that project yet but still intend to.

good luck

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Tyler(WA)

01-26-2001 13:40:32




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 Re: Re: Making a special sub-soiler in reply to kim hartshorn, 01-26-2001 12:21:24  
I figure a 5/16" wall, 4x4 box beam should do well for a cross member and 1" to 1.5" solid plate for the shank.

But then... I do tend to over design things.



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paul

01-26-2001 14:00:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Making a special sub-soiler in reply to Tyler(WA), 01-26-2001 13:40:32  
You said 'rocks' so no, I don't think you are over-designing things. :)

--->Paul



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Bus Driver

01-26-2001 16:44:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Making a special sub-soiler in reply to paul, 01-26-2001 14:00:32  
Our soil is very heavy clay with plenty of rocks to boot. Might be best to make a run or 2 with a regular subsoiler in the exact same path before plowing the cable or tubing. Will help insure the depth you want and minimize damage to your pipe, etc.



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