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jeff flaharty

01-02-2001 22:26:57




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I am considering putting up a couple acres of hay and I need to do it w/o upgrading my tractor and purchasing a baler. A friend suggested I look for a dump rake. Does anyone have another idea and or does anyone know where I might find one of these rakes. I am currently working with a 9N Ford.

Jeff




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Jim in the Great White North

01-19-2001 18:44:43




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 Re: putting up hay in reply to jeff flaharty, 01-02-2001 22:26:57  
I agree with the others,,,dont get a dump rake,,when I started doing hay I had a old dump rake and a hay jacker(loads the hay doodles) but it was way more work then it was worth,,,I now have a old side delivery rake that I paid 10 bucks for ,,a semi mounted sickle bar mower a NH 68 hayliner I paid 50 bucks for and I run it all with a Farmall H that I bought out of a guys yard for 100 bucks,,the H needed tires and the baler needed timed but I bale on average 30 acres a year with it...Jim

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B.C.

01-04-2001 12:15:54




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 Re: putting up hay in reply to jeff flaharty, 01-02-2001 22:26:57  
We used a dump rake with a 9N for several years when I was a kid. But we put the hay up loose. Even two acres might wax your butt.

The dump rakes work fine, it's the unloading that gets you, unless you have a hay fork in the barn or shed, or can always throw the stuff down and not up.

Steel wheeled 4 barred side delivery rakes usually go for $100 or less, if you got one of those things and found someone to bale for you, then you'd be set.

Then too, a usable baler might be available for $200 or $300 plus what it takes to get it running right.

If you go that way, stay with NH or Deere, and the older the stuff is the more I would go with Deere.

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'Bandit'

01-03-2001 16:59:31




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 Re: putting up hay in reply to jeff flaharty, 01-02-2001 22:26:57  
I have a dump rake it's a wonder for putting up loose hay. I assume thats what you'd be doing since you don't want a baler. We use 2 ppl when using the dump rake. one to drive the tractor and the other to work the rake. We have an old horse drawn one. A side delivery rake might make more work for loose hay. A dump would make stacks you can pull up near with a wagon or truck and fork it in. Peice of cake.... good luck

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BlueLite

08-29-2003 05:12:45




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 Re: Re: putting up hay in reply to 'Bandit', 01-03-2001 16:59:31  
Bandit, my dump rake is operated with a rope from the tractor driver's seat. Just tie it to the trigger pedal.

Jeff, if you use a dump rake for baling and using a square baler, start with small windrows
to until you know what your baler can swallow and what speed. There are a lot of old small balers like my MF10 that you can get dirt cheap like Tom says.



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dave(ne)

01-03-2001 07:33:39




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 Re: putting up hay in reply to jeff flaharty, 01-02-2001 22:26:57  
Jeff,
For just a couple of acres your 9N will be able to cut, rake and bale with no problems. I use to use my 2N to do the same thing your wanting to do. I would not buy a dump rake. Like the others have said I would invest in a sickle mower, side delivery rake and a baler. I was able to buy a Ford mower for $350 a Dearborn rake for $225 and a NH baler for $350. With about $100 in various parts and a little work it has been a very good setup for me. It is going to depend on how much you want to spend on equipment, the quality of hay you want to put up, and what you plan on doing with the hay. If you buy the equipment and things don't work out you can always get your money back out of it. Hope this helps.

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Dick Davis

01-03-2001 07:05:20




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 Re: putting up hay in reply to jeff flaharty, 01-02-2001 22:26:57  
Watch out Jeff hay making "stuff" is about as infectious as all the old tractor diseases! But at least with hay making you get exercise. Dump rakes are a poor choice unless you want to put up hay loose or out side stack, but why would you? What do you plan on doing with your couple of acres of hay? You'll never sell it for your costs of putting it up. However that doesn't stop most of us from doing the same thing. Side delivery rakes are the only hay making machines that you can't find dirt cheap. Parts availability is important when buying a baler. New Holland and John Deere (if you can stand the color!) are generally the best supported by parts. Good luck and keep us posted, Dick

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Jim.UT

01-03-2001 04:57:30




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 Re: putting up hay in reply to jeff flaharty, 01-02-2001 22:26:57  
I agree with everything Tom said. I put up 2 acres of hay on very flat ground. I had no tractor to begin with and was thinking 8N when I started shopping but the "experts" scared me off by telling me the N series Ford did not have the HP needed to adequately run a baler. Since then I have followed the exploits of guys like Tom and realized it can be done. But I'm still glad I opted for the larger Ford 800 series. I just wish I had paid better attention and gotten an 860 with live pto rather than the 850 I ended up with. Still, it's a good tractor and you can't argue with the $2500 selling price. I also use a 3 point side rake and it works well. Mine is ancient and was abused a lot so I need to replace it. Tom's prices are good here, too. Sometimes you can score a sickle mower for even cheaper (I sold a Dearborn mower that needed som TLC for $50). I also have an old MF baler and so far it works well. I've also seen advice that with a small tractor like a 9N you may want to look an old engine driven baler. That way all the tractor has to do is pull it, not power it with the pto.

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Tom A

01-03-2001 03:38:38




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 Re: putting up hay in reply to jeff flaharty, 01-02-2001 22:26:57  
Jeff: I've got a '48 8N and very hilly ground. First off, I'd say don't get a dump rake...it'll take forever, be very frustrating, and there's not really any good reason to use one.

Depending on where you are, you can probably find a decent used side delivery rake for about $400 (or less if you're patient). Raking takes very little horsepower, and the side delivery rake is the way to go (quick, quiet, soothing). I also use an old Ford sicklebar mower (again, paid about $400) to cut the hay, and a Massey-Ferguson baler (bought 2, one for parts. Paid $600 for the worse one, and 350 for the good one...long story), though frankly an old New Holland would have been a better move for several reasons. You can also put hay up loose--I did for the first year--if you don't want to invest in a baler yet.

good luck,
Tom

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Barney

01-03-2001 06:46:37




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 Re: Re: putting up hay in reply to Tom A, 01-03-2001 03:38:38  
I agree with you Tom. I bought a Massey Ferguson 3-pt. rake, and a JD cycle mower. My neighbor has several MF balers,and a late model iH baler. I love to work on balers, and bale hay in general, so we work togather. That way I can use any of the balers I want. Ole Skeeter is a 801 diesel, and is a perfect hay tractor for square bales. Maybe Jeff can swap work like I do,and he can keep his fun to drive 8N Ford. It'll pull a baler if it's raked right, and the hay is cured properly. The secret to balers like that is enough speed (RPMs) to tie,but not too much speed. You can listen to the baler and tell if it's in a bind or if it's running smooth. We are in south Ga., and baler Coastal Bermuder most of the time. One big advantage to a small tractor, is the fact that you can tell quickly if something is wrong, where as with a larger tractor, you will not notice it until it breaks something or shears a pin. I love to bale hay! I want to hear about the $600.00 MF baler and the $350.00 baler. What models are they? Barney

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