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Jeff 2N

11-21-2000 12:36:08




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In the spring, I am going to have to split some 19" diameter poplar which will be used for firewood. Although it will seem like a lot to do by hand with a maul, there is not enough to justify spending many hundreds of dollars to save the effort (so says my wife, who will watch). What I am wondering, is if there are 3-point devices that will split wood ? If so, how do they work ? Are the hydralics (in the down direction) of a Ford 2N strong enough that if a sharp blade was attached, it could be used that way to split the wood ? Perhaps I could rig up something myself ?
Thanks !

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Alan Farley

12-02-2000 21:29:43




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 Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Jeff 2N, 11-21-2000 12:36:08  
My Uncle bought a huge homade logsplitter made with a Chevorlet 250 straight 6-cylinder engine and a dump trucker cylinder. It's wild and crude looking but haven't found a log it would'nt split yet. It powers through oak at about 1/3 throttle, but the pump is kind of slow. Well worth the $600 he paid for it.



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B.C.

11-27-2000 05:42:32




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 Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Jeff 2N, 11-21-2000 12:36:08  
I think you should rent a splitter, tractor driven or not.

The really cheap (strenuous) thing to do would be to get one of those all metal monster malls and split the wood by hand when the weather gets really cold. When we lived up in Minnesota, we found the old saying the colder it gets, the better wood splits was true. But then most of what we did was birch, which splits fairly easily anyway.

But a rented splitter, especially for what sounds like a one-time deal, would be a lot easier.

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paul

11-27-2000 09:05:34




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 Re: Re: Splitting firewood in reply to B.C., 11-27-2000 05:42:32  
Yea, frozen wood splits easier. Our stove handles 27-29" long wood, most wood splitters stop at 24" so I do a lot by hand. I never liked the super mauls. Get a couple wedges & a regular maul (hummm, about double the weight of a regular axe), that seems to be the best all-around way to split by hand. For me anyhow. Elm with knots at 29" long can be fun. :)

--->Paul



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B.C.

11-28-2000 06:16:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Splitting firewood in reply to paul, 11-27-2000 09:05:34  
Whatever works. I started out with a single bit axe, went to a standard splitting maul. Destroyed a couple handles that way. Did separate wedges and a sledge but got tired of chasing wedges. So then I came around to the so-called monster mall.
From what I'd heard about gas powered splitters you needed two people to make any time, one to load and throw wood, one to work the valve.

At the time I was in my late 30's, 6'2" and went about 220. After a day with the mall in 15 degree weather I had no real desire or need to lift weights that night.

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Dave in Mo

11-27-2000 04:43:11




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 Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Jeff 2N, 11-21-2000 12:36:08  
Remember, if you're splitting wood in the cold, don't over do it. Take PLENTY of breaks. The blood vessels in your lungs will be highly constricted because of the cold air adding a tremendous load to your heart in addition to the work required for your muscles. And you won't be able to tell either! On tough logs, I'm not beyond using the chain saw for a vertical cut. Slower but gas is cheap and blades are easy to sharpen compared to a trip to the ICU.

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Goober

11-24-2000 21:00:42




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 Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Jeff 2N, 11-21-2000 12:36:08  
Up here in the north woods we teach our boys to find themselves a woman who can carry a 100 pound bag of grain under one arm, a squalling brat under the other, can pull a plow, and split cord wood like John Henry drives steel. It's even better if she's ugly, so that when she leaves you you'll be glad. Just kidding.



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TomH

11-23-2000 05:18:16




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 Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Jeff 2N, 11-21-2000 12:36:08  
Splitting by hand shouldn't be a big deal. Stack it unsplit and work at it a little each day. By the end you'll be in good shape. Keep some extra chainsaw chains on hand when you cut it up, any tree near a cottage is probably full of nails, etc. I doubt a sawmill would want anything to do with it. A metal detector might save a few chains if you think there is likely to be a lot of metal buried in the trees.

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Jon

11-22-2000 18:41:51




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 Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Jeff 2N, 11-21-2000 12:36:08  
There is a hydraulic port on a 2N. It's down on the bottom, on the right-hand side, a little in front of the rear axle. It's angled, and comes out near the exhaust pipe. They call it a test port. It works off the lift hydraulics. You chain or latch down the lift arms, and the fluid will flow to this port instead. Some factory loaders, among other things, work th



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Salmoneye

11-23-2000 05:14:06




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 Re: Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Jon, 11-22-2000 18:41:51  
This method will give you pressure only one way.
You will need gravity to return the ram and that will take forever while splitting wood.
The test port is also not a standard hydraulic thread, I believe that it is a tapered pipe thread.



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Steve W

11-22-2000 05:10:37




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 Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Jeff 2N, 11-21-2000 12:36:08  
I've been splitting wood by hand for a long time, and while poplar wouldn't be my first choice for firewood, if you need to split it, the winter time when it is wet seems to be the best. If you let it dry out, it gets "stringy", and it splits awful. I find it splits so easy when it's wet and frozen, that I pile most of my firewood up in the barn, and split it when the temp is about 20 degrees. The stuff comes apart prety easily with just an axe. Same with about every other kind of wood.

It also keeps you in shape in the winter, and it seems everytime I aim to get at it in the summer, it's soon Xmas, and it's still looking at me.

Take Care
Steve

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Jeff 2N

11-22-2000 07:19:43




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 Re: Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Steve W, 11-22-2000 05:10:37  
Yeah, Poplar isn't my first choice either, but the things keep threatening to fall down on my cottage. The easiest way to dispose of them is in the fireplace. It burns fast, so I have to keep throwing more logs on the fire. Splitting when they are frozen makes sense, so I'll give that a try.
Thanks !



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Robert

11-22-2000 16:10:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Jeff 2N, 11-22-2000 07:19:43  
Best way i know of how to get rid of them, is to saw them into construction lumber! That's what i do with mine! What a waste to burn them! I sure wish i had them. Robert



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Jeff 2N

11-23-2000 08:06:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Robert, 11-22-2000 16:10:27  
Yes, the tree was of a size that some very large beams could have been made. However the tree landed and got caught on some other trees and was stuck a few feet from the ground. I don't know how portable a "portable" sawmill is, but I suspect we would have needed to drag suitably large pieces of the tree out to the road, which is something that would have required quite a few tractors. It was all I could do to life a 1 foot high pice of the trunk !

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Robert

11-23-2000 09:14:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Jeff 2N, 11-23-2000 08:06:18  
I have a band saw mill, and i've dealt with situations like you had quite a few times. Hope fully, some one in your area would be interested in any future logs you may have. Here's a place i have some pictures posted on line of my mill in action. Robert
http://www.egroups.com/files/milling/Member+Photos/Robert+S/



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Jeff 2N

11-26-2000 20:22:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Robert , 11-23-2000 09:14:02  
Looks like a very capable machine. Is it practical and cost-effective to bring it somewhere just to saw up a single poplar tree ?
How do you manhandle the huge tree ? Even if you cut the tree into 16 foot lengths, it has to be impossible to lift ?



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Robert

11-27-2000 14:41:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Jeff 2N, 11-26-2000 20:22:05  
My mill is portable, but i'd rather bring the logs to the mill. If the log is too far away to go get it with my tractor, i use the winch on the front of my PU, pull it out and load it on to my trailor. Once it's home, my tractor supplies all the muscle. Even a big 16' log can quite easily be rolled with a winch or canhook, so it's all in knowing how to handle the logs. Robert



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Salmoneye-F14 is right!

11-22-2000 00:45:58




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 Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Jeff 2N, 11-21-2000 12:36:08  
Poplar splits about as easy as any wood there is but it sucks as firewood (unless you are building a bonfire). It also stinks whils drying. Smells like cat pee if you stand it near the stove before burning it.

Your 2N 3-point lift has no down pressure on the arms. There is also no port for an external hook up. There are 3-point splitters that have an auxilliary pump that mounts to the PTO shaft, but that is overkill (and pricey) for your situation.
If that poplar is already bucked up, it will split like butter come spring...

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Canadian Cowboy

11-21-2000 20:21:32




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 Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Jeff 2N, 11-21-2000 12:36:08  
Have you got hydrolics on that 2n, some hydrolic ports??? if you do I have a very cheap idea for you, ugliest thing you ever seen but works.



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g

11-22-2000 08:05:14




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 Re: Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Canadian Cowboy, 11-21-2000 20:21:32  
Enlighten us Cowboy...what's the suggestion?



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Jeff 2N

11-21-2000 20:56:03




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 Re: Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Canadian Cowboy, 11-21-2000 20:21:32  
I have lots of mechanical experience with different types of vehicles, but this is my first tractor (I'm having fun so far !). I have not noticed any connectors to connect an external hydralic cylinder, but I am willing to consider anything. ugly doesn't bother me at all if it works (and doesn't cause permanent damage). Please tell me your idea.



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Canadian Cowboy's Idea

11-22-2000 15:55:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Jeff 2N, 11-21-2000 20:56:03  
Well its totaly on the cheap, I rethought the idea and You can do it with out hydrolics, A hand winch will work well.

find your self an old scaper blade or some sort of already made 3pth frame, Get about 8 feet of 2-3 inch pipe, strong pipe. Cut in half and weld it verticlay to the frame. space them about 2 feet apart. At the top weld a thick bar across the top, make sure the tops are even. Get two collars that will fit over your pipe, Put one on each pipe, Weld a thick bar to connect the 2 to form one solid unit that will slide up and down the pipe. MAke a wedge, (use your imagination) attach the wedge to solid cross piece that slides up and down the pipes, put some weight into this, If you do it right it can double as a post pounder.

Now weld a point onto your wedge frame that you can attach cable to, put a pulley ontop of the cross piece thats ontop of your two upright pipe's. Next bolt or weld a hand winch onto your 3pht frame. Attach cables. Are we getting the idea so far??? crank the winch, your wedge goes up only problem is that unless you have tree's like arms you won't be able to hold it up there for ever. So you need a hook or latch of some sort to hold up your wedge. Again use your imagination.

Here's how it works, go up to your pile of uncut wood, put a heavy splitting block under where the wedge will fall, put your block of firewood on top on that. Play with the 3pht till you get to the right working height, winch your wedge up, latch it so it doesn't fall. Then when ready un latch it, best way is to have a long flat swinging bar with notch cut in it, it is atachted to and swings from the very top of cross piece on up right pipes. have a bold welded to the wedge, lift up wedge and let it hook onto notch of the flat bar. When ready to split, WHeN ALL HANDS ARE CLEAR. Pull the flat bar to release the wedge. The weight of the wedge forces it down fast upon the wood and splits it, simple gravity.

Confused???, I have an awsome way to make it motorized. If ya's likes.

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g

11-24-2000 07:01:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Canadian Cowboy's Idea, 11-22-2000 15:55:37  
Interesting, abeit rather time consuming to make. Are you planning to give it a go?



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Canadian Cowboy

11-24-2000 11:31:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Splitting firewood in reply to g, 11-24-2000 07:01:20  
Could make it in a day or two, easy. When we bought our ford 515 tractor it was part of the deal, it was a piece of crap, so I cut it up and use it as a logging blade/arch. But The idea works, and simple to make. Try it



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Jeff 2N

11-23-2000 08:12:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Canadian Cowboy's Idea, 11-22-2000 15:55:37  
I drew a diagram based on your description. I suspect it will take me longer to build it than to split the wood by hand. Thanks for sharing your idea.



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F14

11-21-2000 17:07:18




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 Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Jeff 2N, 11-21-2000 12:36:08  
Don't know where you're from, but here in the northeast, what we call poplar will split if you look at it crosseyed. VERY light wood, dries quickly, rots quickly, burns quickly and HOT!

Not much good for firewood, but great for starting fires.

Even a crippled up old faht like me could split a cord in no time with a dull axe.



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paul

11-21-2000 15:18:50




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 Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Jeff 2N, 11-21-2000 12:36:08  
Not sure if I understand you - but there is no good way to make the 3-point arms split the wood for you. As you know, there is no down pressure, so you can't just drop the 3-point on the log - only weighs 50 lbs or so. You would need either of the splitters described in another message.

I just picked up a screw type, Bark Buster, for $100 at an auction. Hey, can you still get the tips for these if the point gets broken?

--->Paul

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Steve Snell

01-12-2001 13:46:41




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 Re: Re: Splitting firewood in reply to paul, 11-21-2000 15:18:50  
Hi! I have an old Bark Buster log splitter that I love. I bought it new 15 years ago. I am wondering if you have found any place to get replacement parts? I need a new cone, not the tip, but just the cone. Or maybe you know someone who could make it out of steel?

Thanks!
Steve Snell, the machine wizard



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Gary J

11-22-2000 12:00:23




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 Re: Re: Splitting firewood in reply to paul, 11-21-2000 15:18:50  
I just bought one of those screw type splitters at an auction. It was mine for just $25. Yes, I know that these things are dangerous, but I try to use a lot of good common sense whenever I operate machinery. I read all of the cautions and warnings posted on it and than hooked it up to my Farmall 230. It worked very nice with no problems. I split a truck load of oak alot faster and easier then when I use my fathers old hydraulic splitter. I will admit, this is the most dangerous thing I own.

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Steve

01-12-2001 13:46:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Gary J, 11-22-2000 12:00:23  
Hi! I have an old Bark Buster log splitter that I love. I bought it new 15 years ago. I am wondering if you have found any place to get replacement parts? I need a new cone, not the tip, but just the cone. Or maybe you know someone who could make it out of steel?

Thanks!
Steve Snell, the machine wizard



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MarkB

11-21-2000 14:14:51




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 Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Jeff 2N, 11-21-2000 12:36:08  
I'm aware of a couple of log splitters that attach to your three-point.

The first one is a conventional log splitter that mounts on the three point and uses the tractor's hydraulics. These are cheaper than a regular log splitter because there's no engine or pump. I don't know if they're compatible with your 2N. They are pretty small, but would probably work OK for you.

The second one is a big screw that runs off the PTO. I've been told that they work well, but they sure look dangerous. There was a discussion about them on one of the YT forums a while back.

If this is a one-time deal, maybe the thing is to rent a splitter.

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Cordell in AR

11-21-2000 12:52:39




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 Re: Splitting firewood in reply to Jeff 2N, 11-21-2000 12:36:08  
Jeff, my experience with cotton wood which is a member of the poplar genera does not split but tears apart. I have done it with a maul and a hydraulic splitter. In both cases it tears the wood apart rather than splits apart. Go ahead and start tearing with your maul and stop when you decide it is not worth the effort. Once the wood is dry it is very light and not a good fire-wood source. Sweet gum is about the same. You can slab it off but don't try to burst the blocks down the middle.

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