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Kermit

11-17-2000 00:30:58




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Are there any real benefits to using a subsoiler on your fields? Do the benefits outweigh the cost and trouble of running the subsoiler? When using a subsoiler how far apart should you make each pass? I have a 40hp tractor and probably could only pull one shank so it would take some time to do each field. Opinions please.




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TomH

11-18-2000 06:46:48




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 Re: Subsoiler questions. in reply to Kermit, 11-17-2000 00:30:58  
Another option to subsoiling is the "mini-moldboard". It looks like a normal moldboard with the upper back quarter cut off; you plow about twice as deep as usual. It inverts a little more than a subsoiler but less than a full moldboard.
Check out this guy growing 400 bushels of corn per acre. Some don't like his fertilizer program, but his tillage seems to work

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http://www.directag.com/directag/comp/articledisplay/1,1005,25-2544,00.html

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paul

11-20-2000 21:33:52




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 Re: Re: Subsoiler questions. in reply to TomH, 11-18-2000 06:46:48  
When you figure he get's close to triple the yield, then triple the N doesn't seem so bad, as far as his fert program goes.

On another site someone was looking for a mini-molboard, know the brand or where to find one?

--->Paul



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H MN

11-17-2000 02:43:34




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 Re: Subsoiler questions. in reply to Kermit, 11-17-2000 00:30:58  
Kermit: Depends on several things. WE had a large area that was semi wet often and the corn would be stunted somewhat and of course not yield as well. I ran a subsoiler across the whole area in a direction that allowed water to drain away. Each cut was about six feet apart and two and half feet deep. What a differance. Some of the best crops ever for 2 or 3 years untill it needed it again. This gumbo has clay base. Other crops and sandy soil would not give the same results at all. So as always, it depends. harvey

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Mike (Minn.) '48 8N

11-17-2000 05:16:10




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 Re: Re: Subsoiler questions. in reply to H MN, 11-17-2000 02:43:34  
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Harvey:

Am I missing something here? Wondering how you can get your subsoiler to make cuts two and a half feet deep. My subsoiler only digs down about half that deep in the sand of Isanti County. It can't be much more than two and a half feet TALL.

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To: Mike '48N

11-18-2000 05:25:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Subsoiler questions. in reply to Mike (Minn.) '48 8N, 11-17-2000 05:16:10  
Hi Mike: Each cut was about six feet from the last cut. (six foot spacing) I could have gone as deep as 4 foot if I had wanted since I designed and built the subsoiler I was using. I used a plow beam as "the tooth." I also used it in late Summer when it was dry so it would work best for breaking up the subground the most. This was back in the '50's. harvey



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Tim(nj)

11-17-2000 19:43:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Subsoiler questions. in reply to Mike (Minn.) '48 8N, 11-17-2000 05:16:10  
Depends on what kind of subsoiler you have. I've got an old Ferguson that I occasionally use and that will go 2 feet deep at maximum penetration. It barely clears the ground when the MF 65 picks it up all the way. A guy nearby pulls a CaseIH #15 5-shank v-type ripper with an IH 2+2 4WD tractor. He can get in to 3 feet, but it makes the tractor work.



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paul

11-17-2000 11:36:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Subsoiler questions. in reply to Mike (Minn.) '48 8N, 11-17-2000 05:16:10  
You have a nice rig to burry electric lines & such. But, why are you 'subsoiling' in that sand up there? There can't be much gained. You folks never get any rain anyhow up there.

Down here in Nicollet county with the heavy yellow/blue clay soils, a hardpan develops, and is made worse by wet soils in low spots. If you have the hp & equipment, subsoiling deep will help break up that hardpan, and allow the water to sink below the hardpan, as well as the roots of the crop. As stated, the hardpan usually reforms over a few years. It also helps stir up the soil & mix in the P & K from the lower levels of the ground - our low spots of clay are pretty nutrient rich, but the roots can't penetrate the hardpan any better than the rainfall can.

It is best to rip the ground when it is fairly dry in the fall so it shatters, ends up like big cinderblocks in the field, about the size of a front tire of your tractor. Trying to do it when it is very wet causes more problems that help, just makes smeary hard-packed grooves in the soil.

Subsoiling only helps on certain soils for certain conditions, and is not worth the expense to do all over. Just the hardpan soils. You want to get the points just a little deeper than that layer of hard soil, and shatter it up.

I hear there are areas in California where they go 4 feet deep to rip the soil, has fertilizer & hardpan benifits. Wow. In the sand up where you are, I would not expect any benifit at all to subsoiling (also know as ripping).

The subsoilers have points from 1 to 3 feet apart, mostly near the 3 feet. If going deep with a single point, you would see results by going 6 feet or so apart. Much more than that and it won't be doing enough.

--->Paul

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Mike (Minn.) '48 8N

11-18-2000 04:59:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Subsoiler questions. in reply to paul, 11-17-2000 11:36:50  
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Paul,

The subsoiler is used mainly to open up the ground for my Kingcutter 30" dirtpan (scoop). The other use is to barely open up the ground for discing trails before the backblade and landscape rake on our Tree Farm. My Dearborn 2-14 plow turns too much soil for my little scooper to handle so the subsoiler comes in handy.

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Tx Fred

11-18-2000 06:18:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Subsoiler questions. in reply to Mike (Minn.) '48 8N, 11-18-2000 04:59:28  
Good lookin N/



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