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Sam

11-13-2000 15:16:43

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I just bought a Farmhand F11 loader to put on a Farmall 560. It did not come with the PTO pump, and I have no experience with these pumps. As I shop, what variables do I need to consider? From the archives it looks like some of the choices are vane, gear, or piston drive, different gpm capacities, different pressures. I think I've also seen some with pass-thru PTO. Anyway, any ideas of what to avoid or to look for would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks - Sam.

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Iowaguy

11-16-2000 19:39:41

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Re: PTO hydraulic pump in reply to Sam, 11-13-2000 15:16:43

I put a well-used farmhand loader on a 450 using the tractor hydraulics and it is slower than I am. You probably wont be happy with it on tractor pump unless you just pushing a little snow around. My loader came with everything but the pump and I debated on whether to hook it up to tractor system and decided I liked the location of the tractor valve levers better than the frame-mounted valves. I believe the pto pumps put out almost twice the gallonage as the 13gpm the tractor does. But more money!

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Sam

11-17-2000 10:46:53

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Re: Re: PTO hydraulic pump in reply to Iowaguy, 11-16-2000 19:39:41

I'm negotiating on a used Farmhand pump (one of the yellow ones). Word was to avoid the black ones, I think, but that the yellow ones were supposed to be fine.

If anyone buys a new pump, go directly to the manufacturer. I would save nearly $100 on a Prince pump as compared to buying the same pump from Grainger.

Many thanks for all the comments - I'll post when it is mounted and going up and down. Sam.

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Dick Davis

11-16-2000 05:05:21

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Re: PTO hydraulic pump in reply to Sam, 11-13-2000 15:16:43

Your 560 doesn't have an engine driven hydraulic pump? What part of the country do you live in? Find an old area farmer to talk with about this. Good Luck and keep us informed.

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Sam

11-16-2000 10:02:42

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Re: Re: PTO hydraulic pump in reply to Dick Davis, 11-16-2000 05:05:21

Dick,

The tractor does have a pump, but the farmers in the area are telling me that I need a PTO pump. Possibly it is just because that is the way they have always done it here (Northeastern Colorado). Maybe that was just the way the Farmhand loaders were sold (pump included). As I've shopped for a loader over the past year I've never seen one of these Farmhands connected to the tractor's hydraulics - they always have had a PTO pump, so I just assumed that was how I should do it.

I've been talking with someone at Prince Manufacturing - very helpful and patient with my questions. A pass thru pump at 11 gpm is about $290 and the 22 gpm pump is another $40, 3 year warantee. I think that was the cast iron price, but I'm not positive. One comment that I don't fully understand is to size the pump gpm to be no more than the resevoir capacity. Seems odd since this is a closed system. He also suggested adding a filter on the return side.

I've found several comments in the archives that also suggest using the tractor's hydraulics. Hmmmm.

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Harold Hubbard

11-18-2000 18:54:14

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Re: Re: Re: PTO hydraulic pump in reply to Sam, 11-16-2000 10:02:42

The comment about reservoir size is to be sure you have enough oil in the system to keep it cool,for continuously operating industrial systems the recconmendation is three times the pump size,but unless you plan to just sit and run the loader up and down all day, matching the pump size will be plenty.

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Tom-Pa

11-14-2000 06:32:43

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Re: PTO hydraulic pump in reply to Sam, 11-13-2000 15:16:43

Northern Hydraulics has some listed in their catalog as another source. They also list gpm, flow, pto speed required etc.

Good luck
Tom

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Norm

11-14-2000 01:15:11

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Re: PTO hydraulic pump in reply to Sam, 11-13-2000 15:16:43

Gear pump with the pass through PTO is the one to use. TSC can fix you right up. Prince is one manufacturer. If all you need is the lift and dump the tractor hyd. sys. should work for you. This wll save you many $$$$. F 11's are a good loader.

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