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Planting grain with out a drill

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planzman

11-08-2000 10:03:40




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I am wanting to plant about 3-5 acres of oats or rye grain. I think a drill the best method but I don't have one and have access to an old IH drop type fertilizer spreader that is at leat 8 feet wide. Is there some way to use this machine to drop the seeds at some rate and then drag a chain or wooden pallet to push them into the ground. What works other that rotary spreader?




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Spencer Greely

11-09-2000 11:11:19




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 Re: Planting grain with out a drill in reply to planzman, 11-08-2000 10:03:40  
It could be your describing mine. It's
a funnel shaped broadcast spreader that you put
the seed/fertlizer in at the top. It flows out
an adjustable hole at the bottom. You adjust the
hole size to the seed type. The seed then falls
on a rotating disk which throws it in a 120
degree arc behind the tractor (29ft). It is a 3PH PTO driven gizmo. I only paid 90.00 for it second hand and
I assume they are cheap everywhere. The drawback
is that they are a bit more wastful on seed than
the drill, but for 4 acres I have, what the heck. (see my post "bogballe 225" on this board for
more) What I'm going to do is plow,disk harrow,
spike harrow for a fine seedbed,seed in criss-cross fashion with overlap,disk harrow just
a little to cover and help keep birds away, then pass a roller to make seed/ground contact and to stabilize. I'm going to buy just a bit more to make up
for birds portion.

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kev@IA

11-08-2000 16:46:57




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 Re: Planting grain with out a drill in reply to planzman, 11-08-2000 10:03:40  
Hey a question i know the ansure to!
We use a Gandy version and it can do a much better job than an endgate seeder, but slower. You will need to till in the seed after you have spread it, the rule of thumb is run twice as deep as you want the seed to be. Important, get off the tractor and dig to see how deep the seed actully is. We prefered to use a field cultivator with sweeps that overlapped, if dry you can use a cultimulcher to firm the soil arround the seed for a better stand. Please post back so I know that this helped you!
kev

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kev@IA

11-09-2000 19:50:47




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 Re: Re: Planting grain with out a drill in reply to kev@IA, 11-08-2000 16:46:57  
Is this to harvest or as a cover crop? Oats are very cheep, when we used them on goverment acres we used 3 to 4 bushels per acre to keep down the weeds. This is to heavy for a harvest crop, it will fall down.
kev



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planzman

11-09-2000 05:29:37




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 Re: Re: Planting grain with out a drill in reply to kev@IA, 11-08-2000 16:46:57  
Thanks for your answer.

First: What is a Gandy type spreader, and what is an end gate?

The fertilizer spreader I plan on using looks like a giant version of the Scotts brand (you know the green one shaped like a V and the fertilizer drops out the bottom at a controled and adjustable rate)except the IH model is about 8 feet wide and will hold a lot of seed. I am unsure as to what model number the IH spreader is. Somewhere I read that you could use this machine to drop grain instead of fertilizer and then drag a chain or roller behind it to push the seed into the ground. I could disk the seed in after droping. How much in pounds/bushels (whatever unit you want) per acre. I have 4 50 pound bags of seed oats to start with. The seed store said about 1 bushel per acre (34 pounds per bushel, I think). So 4 should be more tha enough (but I wil buy more is necessary)

Thanks for your answer back.


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kev@IA

11-11-2000 16:27:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Planting grain with out a drill in reply to planzman, 11-09-2000 05:29:37  
Thats how our Gandy works to, there are diffrent rotors for seed and fertiliser, the rotor is direct driven by the wheels and the seed opening is diamond shapped and slides sideways to open and shut, a bolt with washers determans how far it opens. Btw our is 10 foot wide and red. Avery simple but efective machine.
kev



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Halbert

11-09-2000 16:40:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Planting grain with out a drill in reply to planzman, 11-09-2000 05:29:37  
You can certainly use the broadcast drop spreader to sow the rye/oats, I was doing that today and have used it many times in the past. A Gandy is basically the same, but more accurate to set openings and can be used with granular chemicals.
You will have to use a little more seed than with a proper grain drill. Oat seed tend to be bigger than rye, so you can probably go to 2 bushel/acre; rye maybe 1.5 bushel. I believe one rye bushel is approx 56 lbs; oats a little lighter, I don't know. After spreading I use a tandem disk set at low angle and shallow depth; I don't drag anything behind, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to use a piece of pipe, chain link fence, or cultipacker.
You won't be able to set too accurate; the limiting factor may be set it as low rate as you can without any of the drop holes plugging up, plus a little more. Seed must be clean with no straw/chaff in it or it will plug up.
If ground is well disked before, and it rains right after, you wouldn't even have to disk in, it will come up and birds don't like it as much when soggy.
Don't know what state you are located, but oats freeze out and don't like cold. If the oats won't get enough growth before frost kill, you better go with rye or wheat. Don't know if your fields are sloping, but disk will leave a groove where erosion can start if you disk up and down slope; sometimes I broadcast more rye over the disk grooves.
Good luck and if winter is coming by you, best get started.
ONE OTHER TIP: You might want to plug up every other hole in the spreader if you can, then you can open it up more, be more accurate, and not have as much plugging.

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paul

11-09-2000 21:40:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Planting grain with out a drill in reply to Halbert, 11-09-2000 16:40:01  
Yea, I think the others have very good advise - but for spinner spreaders? Anyhow, I thought Rye was 60 lbs per bushel, same as other oilseeds. Oats is offically 32 lb per bushel, but often is closer to 40. Here in MN we plant 11 pecks per acre - close to 3 bu.

Also, with snow on the ground, it would be a little late for even rye here. :)

--->Paul



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planzman

11-13-2000 13:10:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Planting grain with out a drill in reply to paul, 11-09-2000 21:40:04  
Thanks for tall the great advice. Here in Central Ga, oats do well all winter. The field has not been planted and is a reconditioned peach orchard that the trees have been removed. Have let the cows clean up the bermuda over the summer and am going to plant the oats for winter and spring grazing. Just about finished disking and will use the "gandy" type spreader (even if mine was made by IH). Them I will use something either a chain or pipe to roll the seeds into the ground.

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