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Terracing technique and implement(s)

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ken

11-07-2000 16:33:01




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My property is next to the crest of a hill. The property next to me consists of a number of pastures. During heavy rains, the drainage follows the path of least resistance and I receive a lot of water flow in about three to five spots along the property line. I understand the concept of terracing, but do not know what implement to use or how to approach the situation. I believe that I should also convince my neighbor to spread the water flow using the terracing technique. Am I on the right track?

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ken

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ken

11-08-2000 17:53:58




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 Re: Terracing technique and implement(s) in reply to ken, 11-07-2000 16:33:01  
Folks:
Thanks for your responses and concerns. I am aware of the basics of water flow across land; and I am not trying to dam anything up or change the natural flow, I just want to spread the water on my land so that it won't dig deep channels.
There is no way that I can stop the water from running in its basic drection due to the laws of gravity, I just want to spread it out an d slow it down. Am I incorrect in wanting to try to do this?
In addition, I only have one implement, thus far, for my 2N tractor, a 6 foot rear blade. I was checking to see what other implement would work better for my purposes.
I included my email address for additional discussions.
Thanks again.
ken

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jp

11-08-2000 22:14:41




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 Re: Re: Terracing technique and implement(s) in reply to ken, 11-08-2000 17:53:58  
You're best bet would be to sow a waterway where the water is going. This will keep the soil in place and prevent any washouts. Once the soil starts to get eaten away, you have to put something in there to hold it in place.



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Dick Davis

11-08-2000 05:02:15




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 Re: Terracing technique and implement(s) in reply to ken, 11-07-2000 16:33:01  
Ken,
Terraces can be built with anything that moves dirt. Obviously those who build them for a living have the most appropriate (expensive?) equipment. Terrace making "plows," that incorporated a plow share with a PTO driven vertical screw, were in the past, sold by more than one manufacturer. These allowed farmers to put up "farm over" terraces. Today the huge bench terraces made by dirt scrappers and bulldozers are more common. Are you confused by the advice you have received here about stopping water erosion? You certainly can do something about it. And you probably should try. What you can't do is affect the water flow or containment on your neighbors land without his consent, that is what is illegal not building water containment on your own land. Best solution is work together with your neighbor to improve the situation. If he is one of those who doesn't care what happens to the land down hill, do your own thing! Do contact and work with the Soil Conservation folks they have tons of advice some of which is good! Keep us posted.

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paul

11-08-2000 09:34:46




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 Re: Re: Terracing technique and implement(s) in reply to Dick Davis, 11-08-2000 05:02:15  
Dick Davis> that is what is illegal not building water containment on your own land.


Obviously, you don't live in Minnesota. :) They will soon be handing out tickets here for merely looking at water, much less trying to divert, contain, drain, or use it..... We need permits & so forth for any of that - no minimum size, etc.

I hope the guy is aware of the laws in his state, whatever they might be. 'Here' your first stop is a govt office if you want to do anything with water, and wait 3 months. As stated in other discussions, Iowa for example allows a person to install drain tile up to 2 feet of the property line. If that causes a problem on your property, it's up to you to fix it. In general, we are not supposed to care what happens to water flow downstream. That is the way most legal systems are set up.

It's nice if we all get along, but that just doesn't seem to happen when property rights are involved. I just hope people are aware of how water issues are handled in law. Natural (and sometimes unnatural) flows of surface water on your property are your problem, not someone else's. Be aware of that when you go talking to the neighbors, and life will be much calmer.

I realize I have not helped the guy with his machinery question. I wish I could, I hope we find good answers. (In fact, I have one of those plows with the spinning auger & a transmission on it, but wouldn't know how to use it! Love to hear uses for it.) I just feel my concerns are an important part of his question which he may not have realized. I would have e-mailed him with this off-topic stuff, but no address.

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paul

11-07-2000 21:40:22




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 Re: Terracing technique and implement(s) in reply to ken, 11-07-2000 16:33:01  
I'd be real careful how you do this. You can open yourself up for a lot of legal hassle & expense by changing water flows. If you are thinking some sort of dam, forget it! That is illegal.

Also, your neighbor will not want to hear anything about changing his land. And he is not obligated to do anything, assuming this is natural water flow. So, you can go ahead & mention it to him, but don't expect anything at all from the conversation, and drop it after that. Anything more will just invite hard feelings, and you would be in the wrong.

Unfortunately a lot of us that have been in the country for a while are familar with the problems newcomers cause on these issues. Water can flow where it naturally flows, and must be allowed to do so.

--->Paul

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jp

11-07-2000 18:42:42




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 Re: Terracing technique and implement(s) in reply to ken, 11-07-2000 16:33:01  
It is against the law to not recieve any water onto your land that is following the path that nature intended. If you build a terrace to hold back this water you could very well be opening yourself up to trouble. Your best bet would be to build some waterways unless you can prove that the other landowner carved up the land in order to direct the water flow into these concentrated areas, which sounds unlikely.

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Halbert

11-09-2000 16:59:03




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 Re: Re: Terracing technique and implement(s) in reply to jp, 11-07-2000 18:42:42  
Neighbor built house adjoining my farm on what was formerly woods and brush. Land is basically flat, but not quite. He built up and paved 1000' driveway right on property line; now when it rains water runs from his driveway and yard into my fields. I have spoken to him about this and he is attempting to create a "swale", but says water has to go somewheres; looks like potential trouble.



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MarkB

11-09-2000 17:52:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Terracing technique and implement(s) in reply to Halbert, 11-09-2000 16:59:03  
In most states, it's against the law to do anything that increases the runoff on adjoining property.

If he doesn't fix the problem, talk to a lawyer.



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MarkB

11-07-2000 18:00:21




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 Re: Terracing technique and implement(s) in reply to ken, 11-07-2000 16:33:01  
My dad was in the business many years ago. He had a machine that he built from an old road grader and parts from a road elevator. Terracing can be done with a road grader, a scraper or with special equipment.

Your best resource is your local US Natural Resources Conservation Service (formerly Soil Conservation Service) office. The NRCS has rules of thumb on what kinds of terraces to build, how big they should be and how far apart they need to be.

Terraces that are too small are just as bad, or worse than, none at all. If a terrace overflows, you will end up with a big gully.

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Taylor Lambert

11-16-2000 16:16:56




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 Re: Re: Terracing technique and implement(s) in reply to MarkB, 11-07-2000 18:00:21  
In my shop i make terracingf and land scaping blades. I work as a construction worker in the daytime and have a lot of experience with terraces. My brother was ptting in a pool, the hill be hind his house had to be dug out to put the pool in, a road at the top of the hill had its ditch filled in by the city workers. so we took that dirt and made a one foot tall terrace. that spanned the length of his house pluss ten feet. cured the problem without out causing a disturbance. also a good place for fowers and grap vines .

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