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Jerry Cummings

11-03-2000 04:56:33

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OK, so maybe I'm a bit of city-boy, but...

What do these "drill" planter things do? Do they actually drill?!? (Like an auger?)

Does a "corn picker" actually pick the ears of corn off a stalk? How does it know/work? And where do the various corn plant parts end up?

Thanks for your tolerance,
Jerry

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Warren

11-06-2000 09:04:38

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Re: Implement questions in reply to Jerry Cummings, 11-03-2000 04:56:33

Jerry,
Good question. It does us good to examine some of the basic things which we take for granted. Your question about the drill is interesting. I think we have preconceived notions about a lot of things.

Most of the explanations have been very helpful, but I thought I would check out a dictionary definition. I turned to an old version of the unabridged Websters New International Dictionary - 1952. A definition of "drill": "To sow, as seeds, by dribbling them along a furrow or in a row, like a trickling rill of water."

Looks like the definition perfectly fits the name of the machine that performs that function. A type of opener (often a set of disks), creates a furrow in the soil, then the seed is trickled into the furrow. A mechanism then trails behind to close the furrow, i.e., chains, press wheels, etc.

Remember, there are no stupid questions.

Now you know more than you did before!

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Salmoneye

11-04-2000 05:21:15

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Re: Implement questions in reply to Jerry Cummings, 11-03-2000 04:56:33

I think I have an answer as to why it was called drilling.
The Native Americans (that would be Indians to you and me) had no machinery, but they still planted and harvested crops, most notably Corn.
They would slash and burn off an area and then go through with a 'drilling stick' and literally stab a hole a couple inches deep, and drop 3-5 kernels in and kick dirt back over it. No bending or stooping.
We planted sweet corn in this manner when I was a kid here in Vermont. The ground had been turned and harrowed though.
A lot easier and faster than furrowing or hilling with a hoe...

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Jerry Cummings

11-03-2000 08:53:26

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Re: Implement questions in reply to Jerry Cummings, 11-03-2000 04:56:33

OK, thanks for the descriptions.

Someday I'll just have to see both a corn picker and a corn combine in action. It must really be something to see! (And hear?!?)

Jerry

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OCB

11-04-2000 16:51:32

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Re: Re: Implement questions in reply to Jerry Cummings, 11-03-2000 08:53:26

Two sites you may want to visit are;
www.reimanpub.com farm & ranch living Magazine
and
www.agriculture.com SUCESSFUL FARMING Magazine
Both magazines have good pictures and to various degree some vintage farming. Ocassionally you can find VCR Tapes of farming activity but I wasn't able to find one quickly

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H mN

11-04-2000 14:42:20

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Re: Re: Implement questions in reply to Jerry Cummings, 11-03-2000 08:53:26

Jerry: Ya just mentioned a very good point and that is it really something to hear some of these things run. Good operators can hear something going wrong long befor it breaks. Almost a song in its self. Modern cabs reduce this but as I said, I good operator will "keep an ear out" just in case.. harvey

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big fred

11-03-2000 09:49:17

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Re: Re: Implement questions in reply to Jerry Cummings, 11-03-2000 08:53:26

And smell. Nothing like the smells of farming. Freshly turned soil, well rotted (and fresh!) manure, fresh cut hay, the grain dust of harvest, diesel exhaust.

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paul

11-03-2000 17:06:24

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Re: Re: Re: Implement questions in reply to big fred, 11-03-2000 09:49:17

And see. :) I needed to chop a few acres of cornstalks & didn't want to unhook the plow, so I was using the Oliver Super 77 on a 4 row chopper. It got dark, and you could see the exhaust manifold cherry red, even the pipe above the muffler was glowing a bit. You just don't see that during the day, but quite the sight at dusk. :)

--->Paul

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paul

11-03-2000 08:45:39

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Re: Implement questions in reply to Jerry Cummings, 11-03-2000 04:56:33

There is no 'drill' on a seed drill. :) There are 2 disks that open a V slot in the ground where the seed drops into. A chain drags behind putting dirt back on the seed. A 'planter' plants wider rows of crops, with very accurate seed depth and seed placement. A 'drill' is less accurate, but puts out a lot of seeds in narrow rows. So a drill will have a row of these disk blades, 7 to 10 inches apart. Older drills are 8-14" wide. Modern drills can be huge.

Corn picker: There are quite a few people picking ear corn yet where it is fed to livestock. The corn row enters between 2 spinning pipes, or snapping rolls. This pulls the stalk down through, and the ear cannot fit so it 'snaps' off. From there on most pickers it elevates the ears onto a 'husking bed' which is a table of spinning rollers, some metal, some rubber. As the ears flow over this bed, the husks are grabbed by the rollers & stripped off. This leaves clean ears of corn to be elevated into the wagon behind.

Oliver described a very modern picker, or really a combine head. Most ear pickers aren't as fancy with stripper plates & so on, being built in the '40s & '50s. But he is essentially right.

--->Paul

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Oliver Matt

11-03-2000 07:52:30

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Re: Implement questions in reply to Jerry Cummings, 11-03-2000 04:56:33

Here's my attempt at a corn picker. Corn pickers were either mounted directly on the tractor or pulled behind the tractor. There were a few self-propelled ones like today's combines. They had metal V-shaped snouts much like a corn head on today's combines. These went between the rows and the corn plant was fed up to the snapping rolls (sometimes called stalk rolls). Stalk rolls were rollers about 3 inches in diameter and about 12 or 18 inches long. They were placed parallel to each other about 1 or 2 inches apart. These rolls had about 6 blades on them that ran the length of the roll. They would turn in opposite directions. When the corn stalk went between the rows the rolls would pull the stalk down between them. When the corn ear got down to the shield covering the rolls the ear would "snap" off and be fed back to a conveyor that dumped into a wagon pulled behind the picker. The rest of the plant would be left in the field and would eventually be plowed under. About the only thing a picker is used for today is to harvest seed corn. Most farmers today use a combine. The corn header works the same way but the ear goes into the combine and the corn kernels are then separated from the cob. The seed goes into a grain tank and the cob, shucks, etc. go out the back onto the ground. The entire threshing and separating process is complicated and difficult to explain. Maybe that's why modern combines cost in excess of $100,000. That is more than a lot of people pay for their house. You get 30 years to pay for a house but only 5 to pay for a combine. Feel free to e-mail me and we can talk about more farm things if you like. Maybe you can teach me about city life.

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Oliver Matt

11-03-2000 07:25:31

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Re: Implement questions in reply to Jerry Cummings, 11-03-2000 04:56:33

Here we go. Won't hold that city-boy thing against you. A drill or planter is nothing like an auger. Years and years ago planting a crop was referred to as "drilling". I don't know why-it just was. A modern day drill is a machine used mainly for sowing (planting, drilling) wheat, soybeans, hay crops, and probably other things in other areas of the world. Most have a narrow seed box about 3 ft deep, 2 or 3 ft high, and 15 to 30 ft wide. Under the seed box are planting units that plant the seed in the soil in rows about 7 to 10 inches apart. Once the plants get 6 to 8 inches high it is hard to see where the rows actually were unless you go out and walk in the field. The seed gravity feeds from the box through a metering unit into the planting unit to the soil. The metering unit varies in type between manufacuturers but is used to vary the rate (amount of seed) sowed per acre. A planter (usually called a corn planter) has planting units mounted on a frame usually 30 or 36 inches apart. Each unit has its own seed box that holds about a bushel of seed rather than one big central box like a drill. Modern planters vary in sizes from 4 rows to 24 rows. In the midwest corn planters are used to plant corn and sometimes soybeans (a lot of soybeans are planted with drills). They are of course pulled by tractors. Years ago planters were pulled by horses. Most were 2-row units spaced 40 inches apart. That spacing was necessary to accomodate the width of the horse. Hope this helps.

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