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Older Square Bailers

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BlueLight

10-30-2000 07:07:16




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Does anyone know some model numbers for older type, non-complicated,easily maintained,reliable,cheap
square bailer for 30 HP tractor. Bail size not important. I'm new to this type machine and need advice
also. Thanks.




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To Tim(nj), a question

11-03-2000 19:27:19




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 Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to BlueLight, 10-30-2000 07:07:16  
Could you please post the meaning of the
word "corrrectly".



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bill

11-01-2000 10:05:32




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 Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to BlueLight, 10-30-2000 07:07:16  
I run less that 3,000 bales a year through a new holland 273 or a new holland 69 with a ford 941 (about a 35 horse) without problems but they all need to fixed sometime. Seems nothings that easy. Parts are avalible for both as well as the manuals.



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Shepherd

11-01-2000 06:40:25




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 Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to BlueLight, 10-30-2000 07:07:16  
I have a NH super 69 hayliner with a thrower installed and a chute to go with it that I would consider selling. It has been through a lot of hay but it would work well for small acreage. Still runs good. Where are you located?? How many acres are you baling?? E-mail me if you are interested.



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dave(ne)

10-31-2000 12:05:34




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 Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to BlueLight, 10-30-2000 07:07:16  
I use a NH 268 PTO driven baler from the early 60's. I have used it with a 25 HP tractor before with no problems. The Operators manual says the HP rating for this baler is a 2 bottom plow tractor.



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Brent

10-31-2000 10:58:02




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 Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to BlueLight, 10-30-2000 07:07:16  
I have a JD 14T and a 214T. The 24t and 224T are comparable but a bit larger capacity. The additonal 2 digit just means it is a newer model (and easier to get parts for). I tried to buy new knives for my bale chamber on the 214T this summer but the are discontinued said my dealer so I had to sharpen the old ones. Most every other part is still available. My advice for whatever baler you get is to order the original owners manual since these older manuals usually have trouble shooting sections that will identify most every problem you may have. I bales about 4,000 bales a summer with my Farmall H and it has plenty of power. The only problem with the newer compact tractors is that they don't have the weight for traction and when you hit a large heavy spot in your windrow it will really lug down the engine of smaller tractors. Good Luck!

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bgee

10-31-2000 04:02:03




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 Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to BlueLight, 10-30-2000 07:07:16  
J.D. 14t or 24t or M.F. 8,10,or12 or N.H 267,277
one of these are your best bets of getting something that is fixable. Should be able to find one of these under $1000.00



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Robert

10-30-2000 16:06:45




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 Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to BlueLight, 10-30-2000 07:07:16  
My vote is for a New Holland 273. A small tractor can run a baler, but a bigger tractor does a better job! All so, if you want to pull a wagon behind the baler, you need something with the traction to do this. Robert



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TomH

10-30-2000 15:58:06




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 Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to BlueLight, 10-30-2000 07:07:16  
You're asking for a lot - cheap, reliable, non-complicated! Balers take a pounding, so plan on doing maintenance and repairs.

As long as parts are available you can fix pretty much anything that goes wrong with a few wrenches. But don't get depressed when something does go wrong, it happens...



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B.C.

10-30-2000 07:12:56




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 Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to BlueLight, 10-30-2000 07:07:16  
There have been a lot of posts on this in the past. Many seem to agree that the JD 14T and the NH 68 are the starting points.

There's sure others out there, but these are the ones that are the easiest to get manuals, parts etc for.



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balers or bailers?

10-30-2000 13:34:57




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 Re: Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to B.C., 10-30-2000 07:12:56  
Neither the JD 14T or the NH 68 is a bailer. They are balers!



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Frank

10-30-2000 16:34:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to balers or bailers?, 10-30-2000 13:34:57  
Picky, Picky, Picky.



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Tim(nj)

10-30-2000 17:58:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to Frank, 10-30-2000 16:34:51  
A baler makes bales out of something, like hay and straw, (or industrial versions that bale shredded paper and plastic, etc.)

A bailer is someone who scoops water out of a boat with a bucket.



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Gayle

10-31-2000 13:37:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to Tim(nj), 10-30-2000 17:58:44  
I am using a 24T JD baler with PTO power. I pull it with a 50 JD. IT works real well. The 24T is the next model after the 14T and the parts are available for it.



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Frank

10-31-2000 09:00:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to Tim(nj), 10-30-2000 17:58:44  
I knew whar he was referring to. Didn't you?



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Tim(nj)

10-31-2000 17:42:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to Frank, 10-31-2000 09:00:02  
Yes, but in my experience, incorrect spelling and incorrect usage of a word can sometimes lead to confusion and error. Would you feel comfortable if your doctor spelled your prescription wrong and your pharmacist said "I think I know what he meant"? Anyway, my post was not intended to inflict any malice upon a novice inquiring about the intricacies of a baler.



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Duane

11-02-2000 17:48:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to Tim(nj), 10-31-2000 17:42:06  
Sounds like someone has too much free time. I am a teacher by the way. GO find a tractor and restore it.



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Tim(nj)

11-02-2000 20:05:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to Duane, 11-02-2000 17:48:09  
Let's shed some light on why this continually strikes a nerve with me. I work with engineers who may be technically brilliant, but they can't spell or write to save their lives. This causes an unbelievable amount of lost time in production due to making calls back and forth and going from office to office trying to figure out what the heck they are trying to have done. If the descriptions had been written correctly the first time, an hour used for asking questions could have been used for production instead. Many people don't realize that no matter what profession or vocation you have chosen, it's all tied together with written language, especially so in this era of e-mail and the Internet. For the past few years in New Jersey, an effort has been made at both the high school and college levels to ensure that all students, no matter what major they are pursuing, learn to spell and use grammar correctly. I shudder to think that there may be a teacher out there who doesn't think that proper use of written language is an important part of everyday life. Tying this together with the implement alley theme, the following are actual things I've seen written, and they all relate to farm equipment, if expressed corrrectly. Could you tell what these things were on an inquiry for parts if you read them this way?

malbar

cotlur

cycle session

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Jerry (NH)

11-02-2000 09:08:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to Tim(nj), 10-31-2000 17:42:06  
I appreciate the efforts for correct spelling because it makes searching for things in a forum like this a lot more fruitful.

(assuming I can spell it correctly when I search for it!)



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Dick Davis

11-02-2000 05:06:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to Tim(nj), 10-31-2000 17:42:06  
I agree with Tim(NJ) getting it spelled right avoids confusion in communications. Persons new to the hobby/passion/obsession may never have seen the word written before and should appreciate the correct spelling. Isn't it distracting to see "deisel" and "hydrolics" on these boards?



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Jay

11-01-2000 14:44:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to Tim(nj), 10-31-2000 17:42:06  
If all you have to do is check up on peoples spelling, then go to a discussion board for teachers. Lets forget the spelling corrections and get back to what this board is all about, equipment information.



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paul

10-30-2000 10:45:49




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 Re: Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to B.C., 10-30-2000 07:12:56  
30 hp is probably enough tractor, altho on the low end. The other thing to consider is the weight of the tractor. I'll assume a n9 Ford, but if you have a compact or something else, you want to make sure the tractor is heavy enough to not get pushed around.

And like you'll find in the search of old messages, there are pto balers & balers with their own engine. Also twine or wire tie, etc.

--->Paul

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Anita Frazier

07-16-2002 03:25:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to paul, 10-30-2000 10:45:49  
I have a Ford Square Bailer and don't know how to thread it. I bought it at an auction. But it did not come with any string. We have it up to how to thread the top of the bailer. Please help me. Thank You
Anita Frazier



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Lynn Mackey

02-07-2002 10:28:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Older Square Bailers in reply to paul, 10-30-2000 10:45:49  
Hey all ya'll fix-er-up-ers out there.I need to know where I can get information on how an old McCormick hay bailer is supposed to look like,I need to have pictures of how it all fits togethes
any help?
Please contact me....601-735-9413



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