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Peter Newsom

10-13-2000 08:28:19




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I am getting ready to plow some pasture this fall, and I a wondering which way to have the furrows so as to reduce wind erosion during the winter. We have a pretty constant north west wind during the winter.

Also, it has been many years since this field has been worked, and I am wondering how deep to plow. The soil is a heavy clay, with some loam on top. The top soil(sod) is about 4 to 6 inches, and the then the subsoil.

I plan to plant horse hay(alfafa, timothy, orchard grass), with a cover crop of oats in the spring.

I live in Eastern Ontario, Canada.

Thanks in advance for any imput.

Peter

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Peter Newsom

10-15-2000 06:20:30




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 Re: plowing in reply to Peter Newsom, 10-13-2000 08:28:19  
Thanks for all your comments. They are helpful.

Here is another question.

When plowing, how big are the rectangles that you work with? What I mean is do you do the whole feild in one section, or do you break it up into sections, thus having multiple dead furrows?

I know that these are very basic questions, but I have to start somewhere, and I hate to make a mess of it. Getting the furrows straight will be hard enough.

Thanks,

Peter

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ChuckKS

10-15-2000 14:46:49




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 Re: Re: plowing in reply to Peter Newsom, 10-15-2000 06:20:30  
Plow the entire field. You will have fewer corners to plow out, and finish quicker. If you do smaller lots you spend a lot of extra time turning and running over proviously worked ground, not to mention making a much rougher field to work later. The only time to break a large field up is if you have terraces,waterways or a similar reason to plow irregular shapes. Have fun!



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Kerry

10-15-2000 16:58:02




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 Re: Re: Re: plowing in reply to ChuckKS, 10-15-2000 14:46:49  
While we're talking about corners... Don't forget, if you're using a disk and the ground is as hard as it is right now here in Texas be sure and raise up the disk if you turn a tight corner. I've had several friends break disks this year, and they're no fun to change. You can get by with it on a small disk (6ft or so) but if it's big enough to have wheels, use 'em.

When you get to the middle of the field and it's about to get too tight to turn the corners (like a long skinny rectangle), split what's left down the middle then plow the same side of both halves. That way it never gets any smaller and you don't waste time turning around. If you need a description, e-mail me, 'cuz this probably won't make sense unless you've done it!

We're about "laid by" here in E. TX and it's looking like rain!

Kerry

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Kerry Miller

10-14-2000 17:45:20




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 Re: plowing in reply to Peter Newsom, 10-13-2000 08:28:19  
I just finished mine today. We have a field we use for grazing/hay, about 25 acres. We've had coastal bermuda well established for several years, and in the fall we disk it and put in oats or wheat for winter grazing then lock the cows out about the end of Feb. then bale it. After we bale the grain, the bermuda grass is coming out and we graze it until time to plant in the fall. This way the ground is never really totally exposed since we only disk it enough to plant the grain.

Since you're so much farther north than me, it's probably too late for you to plant anything now (it's really almost too late here but I had to wait for a little rain - it was like disking asphalt). If you can't plant anything now to hold the soil in place, you're probably better off waiting until spring and following the other guys' suggestions.

I know you'll have to adjust things (dates and crops) to your lattitude, but that's how we do it here in east TX. My father also ran the tractor out of diesel so I get to go bleed it (again) tomorrow, but at least we finished first! He'll never learn...

Kerry

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tim[in]

10-17-2000 02:24:11




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 Re: Re: plowing in reply to Kerry Miller, 10-14-2000 17:45:20  
that temptation to try to finish the field gets ya every time. !! i know! i've done it enough!!!=)



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ChuckKS

10-13-2000 21:09:23




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 Re: plowing in reply to Peter Newsom, 10-13-2000 08:28:19  
Tom, here in KS your land will litterly blow away if you don't have wheat or rye established by freezing time. You might be better off to wait until early spring to plow and work your ground, then again in your area wind might not be a problem. You could talk to local farmers and possibly save work and money. Letting plowed ground lay all winter will in some areas compact to the point of having to deep till again in the spring. Check with some locals, they will know. have fun.

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Tom from Ontario

10-13-2000 18:02:16




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 Re: plowing in reply to Peter Newsom, 10-13-2000 08:28:19  
Peter: If you plough in the fall, once the ground freezes, it won't matter which way you plough. You cannot stop wind erosion on ploughed frozen ground that stays bare. A good coat of snow will stop soil erosion, but like the man said, come early spring with freezing and thawing cycles and the drying warm winds, the real problem will be water eorsion. Even a gentle slope will move an awful lot of soil. Plough as deep as you need to cover your residue.. If you've got 6 inches, then your plough (for the old boys' rule) will be a 12 inch. The 18 and 20 inch ploughs of the corn belt have no place in Ontario soils. The best ploughs built for Ontario soil were the IH Ace bottom and most of the Massey Harris and Cockshutt narrow bottoms. If you have heavy clay, it is more important than ever to use a narrower bottom. Also, the catch 22 of that situation is that the narrower bottoms have wretched trash clearance and that factor alone might push you towards one of the Kvernelands ploughs. Great outfits, but brutally expensive to fix. Good Luck. Tom

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jp

10-13-2000 09:40:28




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 Re: plowing in reply to Peter Newsom, 10-13-2000 08:28:19  
Plow perpendicular to the slope. You should be more worried about water erosion than wind erosion. If the slope is too steep to plow perpendicular to it shouldn't be plowed. As for depth, how deep can you go? When we plow our hay ground under we set our plow as deep as it'll go.



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Peter Newsom

10-13-2000 08:31:04




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 Re: plowing in reply to Peter Newsom, 10-13-2000 08:28:19  
Sorry, I got my e-mail address wrong in the original post.

regards,

Peter



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