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Bill Schroeder

07-30-2000 21:53:58




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Hi

Around 1950 my uncle had a large impliment attached to the front of his Farmall. At the front of the impliment which slid along the ground and which he could push under windrows of hay. When he neared the haystack he would pull a rope and a winch on the front axel of the impliment would bring in a cable which lifted part of the impliment and lifted up the hay. When he was over the haystack he would pull another rope, the mechanism would trip, and the hay would be dumped on to the top of the haystack.

I think he called it a "Jayhawk". But was that its name? And are there any pictures of this enormous, clanking thing on the internet?

Thanks in anticipation,

Bill

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jacob Vincent

12-21-2000 19:17:42




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 Re: Jayhawk - if it was in reply to Bill Schroeder, 07-30-2000 21:53:58  
If you're interested in seeing an old brochure on the Jayhawk stacker visit this auction item on ebay.

Link



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T'ther Fred

08-14-2000 18:23:18




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 Re: Jayhawk - if it was in reply to Bill Schroeder, 07-30-2000 21:53:58  
Nope;
Not a bad dream. My father in law had a regular hay rack on one of his JD As but someone in the area had a unit with its own axle. I never saw it used but remember when I commented about it I was told it hooked up to the front of the tractor, and was pushed, not towed behind.

We need to draw out of the remaining old farmers some of the information we are about to lose. Every time I visit a county historical museum I see tools and implements which filled a need in the development of our farms and cultures at one time but which defy understanding by someone who didn't see them used.

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Mike Aylward

08-03-2000 06:49:07




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 Re: Jayhawk - if it was in reply to Bill Schroeder, 07-30-2000 21:53:58  
Bill, there were many Jayhawk stackers in this area (northeast Missouri). My dad got pretty proficient running one of these several years ago with a John Deere B. He said on a smooth hay field you could run the B in road gear. As I remember him telling it was attached to the front of the tractor with one pin and was carried on two wheels. I think I have a brochure for one around here in my "pile" somewhere. If you are interested let me know, and I can see if I can find it and get you a copy. Many of these stackers were used for their angle iron. They used to be a dime a dozen around here, but are rare now. Watched one sell locally last summer, brought around $120 (not sure how they hauled it). Hope this helps. Mike

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Frank

08-01-2000 21:17:51




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 Re: Jayhawk - if it was in reply to Bill Schroeder, 07-30-2000 21:53:58  
I believe that Wyatt Manufacturing of Salina, Kansas built front end loaders and stackers.

I have a Jayhawk front end loader that is mounted on a 1941 Farmall "M". It was built by Wyatt. I tried to contact them or their successor and was unable to do so about six months ago. They were probably bought and phased out like many companies are at this time. As you kinow that is a good way to eliminate competition.

I believe I have seen pictures of the Jayhawk stacker but have never seen one in operation.

It is probably called a Jayhawk stacker after the Kansas Jayhawks. It could be that an engineer that graduated from KU may have designed the machines.

Frank

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Tom from Ontario

08-01-2000 19:18:19




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 Re: Jayhawk - if it was in reply to Bill Schroeder, 07-30-2000 21:53:58  
We called them buckrakes. Usually raked up monster windrows, ran the buckrake down it until you had a pile, backed up mashed the pile with the buckrake, ran it down the row some more until you had a bigger pile, mashed it again and kept doing it until more fell off than stayed on. Neighbout had one on a DC Case, teeth were eight feet long and the rake was ten feet wide. He figured he could get nearly a half ton of hay at a whack. Steering was brutal, but it was a heck of a better than being under a shower of dusty hay from a hayloader.

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Dick Davis

08-01-2000 04:52:34




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 Re: Jayhawk - if it was in reply to Bill Schroeder, 07-30-2000 21:53:58  
Bill you haven't lost your mind and your memory for details is pretty good too. I have never seen a Jayhawk stacker but have had them discribed exactly as you have. Last one I know about was also salvaged for the angle iron but in it's last few years was used to set rafters/trusses in pole building construction. Hang in there some one is bound to offer more details. Dick



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F14

07-31-2000 03:44:19




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 Re: Jayhawk - if it was in reply to Bill Schroeder, 07-30-2000 21:53:58  
That's probably a sweep rake. I've seen pictures of them on the web, but I don't recall where. Try a couple of search engines using 'sweep rake' and possibly 'hay stacker'.

Usually, a sweep rake was used to gather and deliver hay to a seperate implement called a stacker that actually built the mounds.



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F14...Did it look something like this?

07-31-2000 03:47:39




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 Re: Re: Jayhawk - if it was in reply to F14, 07-31-2000 03:44:19  
This is from over on the N board



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Bill Schroeder

07-31-2000 10:53:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Jayhawk - if it was in reply to F14...Did it look something like this?, 07-31-2000 03:47:39  
Thanks Gang,

No, it wasn't the sweep rake shown in the photo.

It is hard to describe. It had it's own axel and wheels at the front - I think the wheels were metal. There was a swivel on the front of the tractor so you pushed the thing in front of you. It seemed enormous and it probably was - many times higher than the tractor. Fifteen feet high maybe? I will try to sketch the thing and post the scan of the sketch.

Thanks again

=Bill=

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Tom Railsback

08-25-2000 19:14:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Jayhawk - if it was in reply to Bill Schroeder, 07-31-2000 10:53:10  
The museum staff at the Kansas State Historical
Society, 6425 SW 6th Ave, Topeka KS 66615-1099
should be able to identify it as a Jayhawk if you
send them a photo as they have a patent model in
their collections. Although I now live in Great Falls MT, I have been there and seen it several times.
Best of Luck



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Tom Railsback

08-25-2000 19:10:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Jayhawk - if it was in reply to Bill Schroeder, 07-31-2000 10:53:10  
Send a photo of it to the Kansas State Historical
Society, 6425 SW 6th Ave, Topeka, KS 66615-1099.
They have a patent model in their collections;
mention that you want to compare to see if what you have is similar to that. Although I currently live in Gt Falls, MT, I have been to their museum many times and have seen this model.
Best of luck.



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Tim(nj)

07-31-2000 17:39:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Jayhawk - if it was in reply to Bill Schroeder, 07-31-2000 10:53:10  
Sounds similar to the #52 that Deere once sold, a combination sweep rake and stacker. You pushed the hay in front of you, then used the sweep rake as a stacker by lifting it and then dumping it to build a large haystack. I think New Idea made one as well. There's a picture of the Deere machine on page 270 of John Deere Tractors and Equipment Volume II by Don Macmillan and Roy Harrington. It was offered in the mid '60s, believe it or not. Deere was a little late on the market with that one, just in time to compete with the flail-type stack building machines and big roll balers coming on the market.

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Bill Schroeder

08-01-2000 00:28:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Jayhawk - if it was in reply to Tim(nj), 07-31-2000 17:39:52  
Thanks for your comments.

I sketched what I recall and have uploaded it into a site I control. Full size its pretty big (112K) I reduced it to make it easier for people but that blurs some detail. I will upload both:

Full size: >Link

Reduced:
Link href="http://www.dn.anglican.org.nz/bill/contraption_small.jpg">Link

What is it?? Or maybe I just had a bad dream (:-)

Bill

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Tim(nj)

08-01-2000 20:16:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Jayhawk - if it was in reply to Bill Schroeder, 08-01-2000 00:28:30  
Deere's unit was later, so used hydraulics and mounted on the tractor like a big front end loader, but it sounds like what you're describing does the same thing. This was supposed to be a one-man way of making big outdoor haystacks. The old way was to run a sweep rake to a stationary stacker, which required a person to operate it, and then required a couple of people up on the stack to move the hay around, since the stacker had to stay dug in at one place. The idea with these tractor mounted units was not only to combine two separate pieces of machinery together, but to eliminate the person running the stacker and the people on the stack, because in theory, you could drive the tractor up to wherever you needed to put the hay on the stack.

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Duke

08-01-2000 20:12:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Jayhawk - if it was in reply to Bill Schroeder, 08-01-2000 00:28:30  
I have heard of them being called buckrakes. They combined the operations of a hay sweep and a bucker or stacker. A sweep would simply gather the hay on the tines and it would be stacked using a bucker. One type was known as an overshot bucker, it was like a catapualt or better yet picture a man with a pitch fork lifting hay up and swinging the fork up and over his back. That was the basic principle. The buckrake did both jobs. I have a hay sweep for my F11 Farmhand that is more like the Dearborn pictured earlier. It is all hydraulic and uses a hydraulic pushoff to unload the rake. With 18 feet or so of lift it will build a tall stack. but the problem is how to get the stack out of the field, not many stack transports around any more.
After watching haying progress from loose hay put in the barn with a lift and forks, to bales and a net, to bale elevators, onto big round bales, big square bales, plus various loose hay systems. I enjoy learning about how we have attempted to deal with one of the toughest jobs on a farm.
Thanks for another description.

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