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Neal(IN)

07-10-2000 08:24:34

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I have been reading the posts on balers particularly for smaller tractors, I have a Ferguson TO-20, and several time live PTO has been mentioned. What are the problems associated with not having live PTO when running a baler? From the posts here I would be looking at a NH68 or JD 14T or 24T.

Thanks Neal

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Neal(IN)

07-11-2000 04:27:31

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Re: Live PTO for Baler in reply to Neal(IN), 07-10-2000 08:24:34

Thanks for the info. If I can manage to get the land ready and seeded this fall then I will have to use the Ferguson to bale next year. If I spend the money to upgrade to something with live PTO I won't have the money to by the haying equipment. I do have an over run clutch on it all ready. When the time comes to upgrade the tractor I want something live hydraulics as well as live PTO. I have been thinking along the lines of a Massey 135. Any comments?

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Neal

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Jim.UT

07-11-2000 17:00:19

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Re: Re: Live PTO for Baler in reply to Neal(IN), 07-11-2000 04:27:31

I bale hay with a Ford 850 (non live pto) and a Massey Ferguson 124 baler. Live pto would be nice, but it can be done without just as Burrhead and BC suggest. Takes a little practice but soon you learn the drill. If you're upgrading your tractor anyway to get live hydraulics, then definitely hold out for live pto as well. I have no experience with the MF 135. The Ford 860 is the same as mine except WITH a live pto. The Ford version of live pto uses a 2 stage clutch. Push the clutch in halfway and the tranny disengages from the engine but the pto keeps going. Push it all the way to disengage everything. I like my Ford a lot, but then it's the only tractor I've ever owned (well except for the Farmall Cub I had for a month, but that doesn't count, does it?).

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Burrhead

07-11-2000 16:19:50

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Re: Re: Live PTO for Baler in reply to Neal(IN), 07-11-2000 04:27:31

Neal check out B.C.'s post pretty close, he's right on line.
For what you'll be doing there is'nt anything wrong with the tractor you have now. It has enough power and mobility to bale hay just fine.

I run a NH 68 Super Hayliner without a live pto on the tractor I use, and I have since 1973.

Pay close attention to what B.C. said in his post here on how to do it and you'll do just fine.

You'll be surprised how much you can do with that tractor when you set your mind to it.

You'll learn how to rake the windrows, and kick the tractor out of gear and keep the pto running after you have to shut down and pull the overloads out of your baler just a couple of times in 90+ weather. Most times if you're over loaded enough to need to set there spinning the baler to catch up, you would be money ahead to shut down and kick the windrow out thinner anyways.

As far as the 135 MF goes, I like them and they are a very good tractor. I would'nt let anybody talk me into spending alots more money just to get a live pto to run a hay baler tho.

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Jay Brown

03-25-2001 16:53:03

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Re: Re: Re: Live PTO for Baler in reply to Burrhead, 07-11-2000 16:19:50

I just bought a NH 68 Super Hayliner and I'm trying to get a copy of the manual. I'd pay anyone for their troubles. Thanks.

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paul

07-11-2000 22:10:05

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Re: Re: Re: Live PTO for Baler in reply to Burrhead, 07-11-2000 16:19:50

Yea, I've baled with the H too, it works & Neal should do fine with the tractor he has. Like everybody, I prefer baling with the 300 with live pto. Of course, since I'm THE guy on the hayrack for the past 20 years, the tractor really doesn't matter to me... ;)

--->Paul

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B.C

07-12-2000 13:15:28

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Live PTO for Baler in reply to paul, 07-11-2000 22:10:05

The drill I went on about in my post was learned when I was a kid driving our neighbor's Farmall H when he'd bale our place.

Several years later he got an Oliver 66. Its live PTO made things a whole lot simpler, even though the two tractors had about the same hp.

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paul

07-10-2000 22:19:26

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Re: Live PTO for Baler in reply to Neal(IN), 07-10-2000 08:24:34

Windrows have light & heavy spots. When the windrow gets too heavy, it plugs the baler. Not much you can do without live pto - push in the clutch, & both the forward motion & baler stop. With the baler stopped & full of hay, it's tough on the slip clutch getting it going again.

The same with starting & stopping while on a windrow, you need to start the baler & forward motion at the same time.

With live pto, you can push in the clutch, let the baler work through the neavy stuff, let out the clutch & keep going.

--->Paul

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dmaniac

07-10-2000 11:05:44

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Re: Live PTO for Baler in reply to Neal(IN), 07-10-2000 08:24:34

We have baled with both and in heavy hay live PTO is a definite plus. Just push in the clutch and you can chomp that stuff right up. Without it our baler tended to get plugged alot and caused bothersome delays. In light hay though Live pto is rarely needed as long as the proper gear and speed is maintained

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B.C.

07-10-2000 13:40:16

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Re: Re: Live PTO for Baler in reply to dmaniac, 07-10-2000 11:05:44

Actually, you can sort of cope without live PTO should the windrow get heavier in spots. The drill is to disengage the clutch, then shift the tractor transmission into neutral, then re-engage the clutch which will cause only the PTO to operate.

When everything gets through the baler, hopefully without shearing a pin or something, the clutch can be disengaged again, shift the tractor into gear, re-engage the clutch and pull ahead until you have to repeat all this.

Makes "live" or "constant running" PTO mighty attractive. Can't imagine ever voluntarily going back.

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Burrhead

07-10-2000 11:56:24

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Re: Re: Live PTO for Baler in reply to dmaniac, 07-10-2000 11:05:44

dmaniac is just right.

If you do get a tractor without live PTIO just remember to put an over run clutch on the pto no matter if you're baling or not. The over run could save your life in a pinch especially when bush hogging, and they only cost $50-$60.

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