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Will a disk work?

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Ron Jones

07-01-2000 17:20:20




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I've recently bought some unimproved pasture property with a lot of fence line to keep up. The ground is ruff enough that a pickup is a kidney puncher and there is enough critter holes to make me nervous about riding my horses along the fence line.

I own a Ford 5000 diesel (50 or so hp) which I've mainly used as a loader and bush hog. I've seen Atwoods sells Kingcutter 7.5 foot disc's for about $280; would that be sufficient to make a few passes along the fence line to smooth it out and discourage burrowing animals so there'd be a safe horse trail? I'd planned on sowing some pasture grass seed after the discing in order to foster some recoverage.

The disc's I've seen here at auction are either very small (horsedrawn), very welded (in poor condition) or very huge; assuming a disc is the best implement, what is the best size for my hp tractor and are there any other good economical brands?

Thanks, Ron.

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Dave in Mo

07-07-2000 20:47:50




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 Re: Will a disk work? in reply to Ron Jones, 07-01-2000 17:20:20  
Ron, I'd get a 2 or 3 bottom used plow and turn the soil over burying the trash. I don't think a cultivator will do that. Then use the light disc in 2nd or 3rd gear. The advantage of this is that sure as day follows night, you'll want to plow with your Ford eventually doing something else. We rerouted one of our creeks the other day with ours. You can do a lot with a plow.
My 2 cents worth.

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tim[in]

07-06-2000 02:40:38




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 Re: Will a disk work? in reply to Ron Jones, 07-01-2000 17:20:20  
ron from what i can remember the 5000 is about 63-69 hp. i would look for a smalloffset disc ot a good 10-12 footer with widely spaced blades like an oliver or white . the further the blades are apart the better job cutting. also since you are in grass sod i would consider seeing if you can rent a tiller for the back of the 5000. this is what the famed late louis bromfield used on his farm for working the old hay fields and heavy crop residues. with a field cultivator or chisel if the sod isnt tore up it will be cut in a strip by the chisel and ballup. if you can find an old pull type disc with the manual fold wings cheaply, you can leave them in the up position and this will add weight which will help you cut through the sod .i did this on an alfalfa fied which hadnt been worked in years and it worked reasonably well. good luck and let us know who it works out for you. sod with out plowing or even with moldboard plowing can be tough ! and small 6-10 foot chisels around here at auctions go for around a hundred bucks . indpls ,in

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Dick L

07-03-2000 08:24:13




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 Re: Will a disk work? in reply to Ron Jones, 07-01-2000 17:20:20  

Ron, the old pull type discs in poor contition will do a better job than the light 3 point jobs. I bought a light 3 point 5 years ago and it was a waist of money. It won't cut in unplowed ground and not well in plowed ground, you can't change the angle of the blades without takeing out the bolts in the frame. It does take up less space in the fence row if that would be any help.



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Ron Jones

07-03-2000 17:26:52




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 Re: Re: Will a disk work? in reply to Dick L, 07-03-2000 08:24:13  
Everyone's pretty much sold me on not getting one; I did find a Hesston 14 ft field cultivator for $950 on the 'net. One of the local folks, a farm auctioneer, thought that was a bit pricey, though. He thought it should go for $500 if it was well used. He knows of a similar sized chisel plow that he thought would be more suitable, at least in terms of digging up the ground. He's not sure I can pull a 14 ft chisel plow with only 55 hp, although I suppose I could remove some of the shanks, if I bog down. What do you think?

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paul

07-03-2000 22:09:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Will a disk work? in reply to Ron Jones, 07-03-2000 17:26:52  
In the clay soils of sothern MN I do not have enough hp with my 85 hp tractor to pull my 10 shank chisel plow, and about right for my 15' field cultivator.

I paid way too much, $850 for the chisel plow at a dealer (it's a 12 shank, I took 2 off for spare parts) but I needed one. I paid $225 for my IHC 45 field cultivator with 3 bar spring drag at an auction.

Prices on small & mid sized equipment varies a lot per location & demand.

I'd look for a 6 or 8 shank chisel, / 12 foot cultivator, or narrow down to that.

--->Paul

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Dick L

07-03-2000 19:32:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Will a disk work? in reply to Ron Jones, 07-03-2000 17:26:52  

In my ground, I need all 100 HP to realy dig with my 14' frild cultivator. My 1650 Oliver is about the same as your ford and it works real hard on my 10" feild cultivator. I gave $300.00 each at auctions about two years apart. The 10' is a Ford cultivator and the shanks are farther apart and don't plug as easy as the 14' IH. I did take the center shank off on the 10' because they have it mounted close to the tung and I had to keep getting off and pulling the trash out.

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Tim(nj)

07-01-2000 18:27:22




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 Re: Will a disk work? in reply to Ron Jones, 07-01-2000 17:20:20  
I think a disk like that is too light to make an impact on your ground. However, I'm sure you've seen the small 7-shank field cultivator that are sold by various farm supply stores. They are very similar to old Ford and MF (Pittsburg-built) units, which have held up well in many years of service here in NJ. Put a set of chisel points on it, set the depth on your quadrant, and start ripping. You'll see it shatter the hard ground. Might need to make a few passes. Find an old spike harrow or maybe a cultipacker to drag right behind the cultivator on the second pass, and you should get some good results. BTW, a cultipacker or spike harrow could also be useful for mixing grass seed in lightly with the soil.

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paul

07-01-2000 23:08:52




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 Re: Re: Will a disk work? in reply to Tim(nj), 07-01-2000 18:27:22  
Hum, that was about what I was going to say! ;) This will work better in short grass rather than tall stuff, which would be true of disking as well.

If it has to be a disk, I'd rather have a welded up old one than one of those light, new, 3-point jobs. I can't see how they actually do anything?

Whatever you use, if it's not a plow you are looking at several passes. A plow will just make it loose bumpy ground, you would need to level it with other implements anyhow, so I'd give a field cultivator a try.

--->Paul

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Ron Jones

07-02-2000 17:47:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Will a disk work? in reply to paul, 07-01-2000 23:08:52  
So, it sounds like a field cultivator would be the way to go. How much do they go for new and used in the appropriate size? I've seen some with a harrow built in; I assume they go for more. Thanks, Ron.



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