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Seious Baler problems

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Chucky

05-24-2000 19:11:16




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I have just gotten a NH Hayliner 67 square bailer from a friend. I was running it some yesterday, and everything was working fine, till the knotter kicked in. As the two rods that pull the string (don't know the proper name for them) came to the top, it locked up. YOu can't turn the knotter at all any more. Any ideas? Am I just SOL? or could it possibly be fixed. If so, how would I go about it?

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Burrhead

05-25-2000 19:50:41




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 Re: Seious Baler problems in reply to Chucky, 05-24-2000 19:11:16  
You may or may not have broken the needles. If it was working right the plunger safety should have been what broke the flywheel shear bolt.

It can do that for a dozen reasons. Like the man said I would turn it backwards by hand after I put the shearbolt back in and find what stopped the baler. You're not supposed to be able to turn the knotters by hand once they've loaded up to tie a bale.

When you're standing beside the baler looking at the knotters, the plunger safety is the funny looking gizmo that extends inwards toward the plunger. Right there in front of your knees. You bumped your knee on it's mechanism and cussed it when you checked the knotters.

When it's on there and working right it keeps the plunger from breaking the needles when the baler jumps time or you try to bale a fence post or tree limb. Unless you broke a drive chain you probly have'nt jumped time, it's probly the safety plunger. The wheel wears out or down and they have to be adjusted to clear the plunger as it comes over the needles.

New needles are $55 at New Holland, and they probly will take about 2 weeks to get you a manual.
If I can help with info or pictures from my manual just holler.

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Chucky

05-25-2000 19:39:09




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 Re: Seious Baler problems in reply to Chucky, 05-24-2000 19:11:16  
I got it fixed! It turn out that it was a small roller on one of the pieces in the knotter that was messing everything up. It had a big flat spot on it, causing everything to lock up. As I'm sure everyone can tell, this is my first experience with a hay baler, so the very first thing I did was buy a manual. Thanks for all of your suggestions though! I was wondering if anyone could give me some info on the Hayliner 67. Is it a good baler? what years was it made? and any problems I should look out for. I'm sure I'll have more questions in the future. Thanks again.

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Burrhead

05-25-2000 20:03:13




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 Re: Re: Seious Baler problems in reply to Chucky, 05-25-2000 19:39:09  
That's good news that nuthin got broke. That's a danged good baler.
I think you're talking about the brass roller on the bill hook shaft. If you did'nt replace them both I would do that pronto. They only cost a couple of bucks at NH and they're not much trouble to put in.

Be sure to keep the knotter greased, but don't over grease it so that grease is over run. Keep the roller you're talking about clean and I always just put a few drops of diesel on the shaft it runs on each morning so it will keep turning on the shaft. The flat spot was caused because somebody did'nt do that, and it froze up.

If you can wash the knotters out every day or 2, or blow them out with air is better they last a long, long time.

At the end of each season I mix up some 50/50 diesel and burnt motor oil and spray down my 67 after I wash and grease it. When you grease it put a little oil or just a little grease in the plunger run and keep the plunger adjusted right it will do alots better.

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Dick davis

05-28-2000 06:57:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Seious Baler problems in reply to Burrhead, 05-25-2000 20:03:13  
Burrhead you mentioned adjusting the plunger. Great, I want to adjust my NH 80 baler's plunger and reposition shims and wear blocks. BUT the book tells me what to do but not how to position the plunger in such a way that I can see/and reach the bolts that hold the wear plates. Do I need to disconnect the drive rod? remove the plunger from the rear on the baler? Even with the drive disconnected I'm not sure there is enough physical room to get to the bolts. I am really at a loss and would appreciate any hints from a professional, Thanks Dick

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Burrhead

05-28-2000 11:34:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Seious Baler problems in reply to Dick davis, 05-28-2000 06:57:52  
I'll try to help. I'm not really a professional, I just get stuck with doing all the repairs around here.

You don't want to take the plunger rod loose, you just roll it backward into the farthest position of the stroke.

You can lay down and go into the back end of the plunger from the bale chute at the rear of the baler. In other words crawl up into the baler through the hole the bale uses for and exit.

I think the roller lock nuts are 11/16" on the roller studs, you'll need 2 wrenches, one to hold the stud and one to break the lockdown nut loose with. Loosen these and lift the plunger with a crowbar, while it's lifted up, just let the roller wheel move down solid and tighten it back down, one roller is on each rear corner of the plunger.

That done just go up and get under the baler chamber from the front. You can reach up thought the plunger rod opening and adjust the front ones the same way. You have just adjusted the up and down motion of the plunger.

To adjust the side to side movement of the plunger, go to the left side of the baler and stand looking at the bale chamber external side of the baler, you'll see 2 of the square headed 5/16" threaded adjustment screws, one at each external end of the bale chamber one at the top and one at the bottom. There are 4 adjustment bolts altogether.

Break the locknut loose and adjust the bolt inwards til it is snug. Don't over tighten it. Now back it off 1/2 turn and lock it down with the nut again. Do all four of the bolts like that and now you have all the loose motion adjusted out of the plunger.

Turn the baler a couple of complete turns to be sure it is'nt adjusted too tight before you put the pto power to it.

If I'm not clear or have confused you just holler, and we'll try again. My email addy is on this post.

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Duane

05-26-2000 15:55:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Seious Baler problems in reply to Burrhead, 05-25-2000 20:03:13  
Nice work Chucky, Keep on balein'. New holland makes a book (manual) that covers Knotters in complete detail. The more you learn about balers, the more you'll notice that the knotter is about 75-80 percent of the picture. Get the knotter manual and you should be in good shape.



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paul

05-25-2000 08:51:21




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 Re: Seious Baler problems in reply to Chucky, 05-24-2000 19:11:16  
Hopefully it is a shear bolt or some other such. If you did damage the needles, that is pretty common around here anyhow. Enough so that the local welding shop has jigs to lay the needles in & weld them back together. Ours worked good as new after he welded them for $100. New ones are a couple times that each I believe.

Get the manual. Timing is very important with the chains, or you will break something.

--->Paul

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Micheal

05-25-2000 21:51:59




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 Re: Re: Seious Baler problems in reply to paul, 05-25-2000 08:51:21  
Needles are $50 ea brand new from NH. Just checked on them last year.
micheal



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paul

05-26-2000 18:36:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Seious Baler problems in reply to Micheal, 05-25-2000 21:51:59  
I saw someone else say they were $55, hummmm. My memory fails me. The welding must have cost $25 each. Plus new required delivery time, dealer didn't have in stock. Our baler is a NH 270, but shouldn't be much difference.

Thanks for straightening out my info. :)

--->Paul



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Burrhead

05-26-2000 19:10:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Seious Baler problems in reply to paul, 05-26-2000 18:36:48  
They're $54.71 each at the NH house here, and they keep them in stock.



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dave(ne)

05-25-2000 07:09:21




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 Re: Seious Baler problems in reply to Chucky, 05-24-2000 19:11:16  
You definitely need to get an operators manual. It will tell you how to adjust everything. Can you turn the flywheel by hand? If you can and the needles and knotters don't move you probably have sheared the flywheel shear bolt. Make sure you replace it with the correct bolt from NH. Run the baler through a few tying cycles by hand to see if you can see the problem. If you can't move the flywheel you definitely have something locked up or out of adjustment. Could be the plunger bearings. More in likely you have sheared a bolt. Hope this helps....

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Duane

05-25-2000 06:09:27




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 Re: Seious Baler problems in reply to Chucky, 05-24-2000 19:11:16  
them things are called needles get the manual



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05-26-2000 10:42:32




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 Re: Re: Seious Baler problems in reply to Duane, 05-25-2000 06:09:27  
Duane, I totally agree with your answer. Hard to believe some of the things we see here. Are people really that lazy that they can't get a manual and figure these things out for themselves?
All this "free information" is for the birds! When I was a youngster growing up on the farm we figured out all this stuff and did most of our own repairs. Ah for the good ole days.



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Valvejob

05-26-2000 22:04:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Seious Baler problems in reply to ?, 05-26-2000 10:42:32  
As Chucky stated this is his first baler and he is learning. I think he did very well finding the siezed cam follower. The purpose of the forum is to exchange "free information" and help each other out. I was also a farm boy and do pretty well at finding my own problems, but I learn something new everytime I browse through these boards, I expect to continue to learn for a long time to come.
Good luck with your baler Chucky, as you become more familiar with it, it will become more simple.
Don't be discouraged about posting questions, if you need help this is the best place I know to find it, you are not being "lazy". A vast majority of us enjoy helping others and frequently need help ourselves. I think the registration was a good idea. We weren't seeing postings like this one then.

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Chucky

05-26-2000 13:28:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Seious Baler problems in reply to ?, 05-26-2000 10:42:32  
If you had taken the time to read my second post, you would notice that I DO have a manual. It was the first thing I bought when I got the hay bailer. Then I read it, and spent an hour getting it timed right! I'm sorry, but the manual dosen't say what to do when the knotter becomes completely locked up, and you can't move it, at all. Why won't you post your name? If you don't have something to contribute, or positive to say, don't talk at all.

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Burrhead

05-26-2000 16:33:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Seious Baler problems in reply to Chucky, 05-26-2000 13:28:14  
Don't let the back seat drivers rile ye up there are plenty of them always hanging around.

Unless you can find and old print shop manual NH does'nt have a owners manual that covers any breakdown symtom, just break down repairs.



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Ioway Boy

05-24-2000 21:03:57




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 Re: Seious Baler problems in reply to Chucky, 05-24-2000 19:11:16  

First thing,don't panic If it worked before,you prolly didn,t hurt it.Lots of shear bolts and stuff on 'em to keep us from hurting 'm.Somebody here can help ya,I know.



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FM...can't help ya on a way to fix it....but...

05-24-2000 20:43:10




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 Re: Seious Baler problems in reply to Chucky, 05-24-2000 19:11:16  
Them things are called twine arms. Do you have a manual? it sounds like something is out of adjustment, big time. Perhaps your friend knows how to fix it?



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Jim in Mo.

05-25-2000 06:32:38




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 Re: Re: Seious Baler problems in reply to FM...can't help ya on a way to fix it....but..., 05-24-2000 20:43:10  
I once had a model 68---good baler-- but if gets out of time, the plunger could hit the needles and break them. You can manually back them out by rolling the flywheel opposite direction. If I remember right, should be dots on the flywheel and housing to align up; with that done the clutch assy. for the knotter has a dot on the inside to align up. I also think the back door for the hay fingers come open for a timing mark that you can see to align. I don't know if NH still sells a book, but would advise to get one. Hope this helps and good luck. Jim

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