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KYHayman Baleage?

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farrviewsouth

05-18-2008 16:32:32




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Spoke with you a couple of years ago as I was going to baleage. Have since had good success but this year 1/4 of my bales have come out of storage with a smell like pipe tobacco, a sharp not sweet smell like silage, moist bales and the cows did not seem to winter as well. I thought I baled it on the wet side, I used two wraps instead of three, and maybe the bales might not have been made as tight by the baler put still seems solid. I would appreciate your thoughts.

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RodInNS

05-19-2008 18:08:15




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 Re: KYHayman Baleage? in reply to farrviewsouth, 05-18-2008 16:32:32  
I'm not sure what you're dealing with there... Every bale we've ever had that was exposed to air or not wrapped properly was simply a sack of sh!t. There would be no feed value in it, unless it was done by bird damage and localized in part of the bale. Carmelized bales that we've had were the result of being too dry or not wrapping quickly enough after baling.
We have always wrapped bales with 2 + 2 layers so that the bales makes 2 turns on the wrapper (individual wrapper). Never seen any benefit to using more. For many years we dropped the bales off the wrapper and left them where they fell, but now we stack them on end, 2 high. That greatly reduces the bird damage. Some things to think about anyway...

Rod

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kyhayman

05-19-2008 11:08:29




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 Re: KYHayman Baleage? in reply to farrviewsouth, 05-18-2008 16:32:32  
My first thought is not enough film on the bales. I saw a study at the Alfafla Conference a few years ago where they put out dry hay, hay wrapped with 6,5,4,3, and 2 layers of film. The cows sorted the hay correctly in they completely consumed the 6 layer wrapped hay before the 5 and so on with the dry hay being preferred the same as 3 layers of film.

My suspician would be too much air. That will give a strong odor due to carmalization of the sugars and the protein becomes he damaged and denatured.

The wetter it is the more layers of plastic it needs. I've made good round bale silage at high moisture but may even put 8 layers of film on it. If its really 'too wet' it looks black in color and has a rancid butter smell (butyric acid fermintation as opposed to propionic acid fermintation). Silage put up too dry has a sweet odor, and cows love it (horses too) but it also has a lower feed value.

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farrviewsouth

05-19-2008 17:20:29




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 Re: KYHayman Baleage? in reply to kyhayman, 05-19-2008 11:08:29  
Thanks for the reply. Yup, that makes sense. It seems that in the past two years I couldn't make any bad bales almost no matter how wet or dry it was. This year, difficult. I will go back to being more careful and three wraps.



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Hay DR

05-18-2008 18:40:07




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 Re: KYHayman Baleage? in reply to farrviewsouth, 05-18-2008 16:32:32  
To have a proper cure you need surgar content and 40-60% moisture and a tight seal. If you have too much moisture and not enough sugar and have a good air seal you still will have a spoiled bale. Too little moisture and a spoiled bale as well. A poor seal and a spoiled bale. Hay has more sugar cut in the pm than in the am. see study http://www.uwex.edu/ces/forage/wfc/proceedings2001/wfc_am_pm_study.htm

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farrviewsouth

05-19-2008 03:33:34




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 Re: KYHayman Baleage? in reply to Hay DR, 05-18-2008 18:40:07  
Thanks for the reply
Up until this year, I have had no problem but thought I was baling to dry because the baleage was going out of storage quite dry. My thoughts were I had gone to much the other way and then with only two wraps, I messed got outside the boundaries.



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