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Bernie Steffen

05-16-2008 17:02:37




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Am in the prosess of restoring a little genius plow. When it came time to buy new moldboards and shares, I found out just how expensive they were. Anyway, I bought a pair of Later bottoms from a salvage yard. Plow chief or something like that. The guy at the yard said they were for a 14 inch plow. And they measured 14 inches I measured them myself. Put new shares on them and I found out they were sixteen inchers. Now to the question. Whast will it hurt? 16 inch bottoms on a 14 inch plow. Can"t cut but fourteen inches anyway. already cleaned up and painted. Mounted on plow. any ideas? Bernie Steffen thanks for any info

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IHCPloughman

05-17-2008 21:10:57




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 Re: Little genius plow in reply to Bernie Steffen, 05-16-2008 17:02:37  
I wouldn't lose sleep over it. I have got 16 inch plow chief bottoms on a 14 inch #8 frame. Putting bigger bottoms on is a common contest plow trick to push the dirt further and for the dirt to spend more time on the moldboard. I took a tape measure across my boards and found the 16 inch boards are only 1.5 inches longer from shin to tail than the 14 inch boards. So, a 16 inch board is only pushing the dirt over about one more inch than a 14 inch board.
As for the shares: You could leave them alone. Some guys would put bigger shares on to ensure they are getting all the roots cut. You could trim off a triangle by cutting off like 1.5 inch off the bottom at the heel and then taper your cut up to the original edge at the top of the share. Then your shares will be cutting 14 inches. I would at least do this.
I would be prepared that the plow might have trouble staying down in hard ground. Those throw away lays were meant to go on big heavy semi-mounted plows that relied on the weight of the plow, not the suction of the share, to stay in the ground. I have not had experience with this, but that is what I would expect. I would have a set of deep suck lays handy.
Just remember, each bottom, front and rear, should only be cutting 14 inches.

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Leroy

05-17-2008 15:34:08




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 Re: Little genius plow in reply to Bernie Steffen, 05-16-2008 17:02:37  
I had John Deere not IHC but on the John Deere 3-12" plow they used the complete SAME bottom as on the 3-14" No. 55ABH plows, the only difference was in the length of the shares. The John Deere No. 44 plow that was adjustable frame they used the same bottom for both the small width furrow and the wide width furrow. Have heard that for compition plowing on the IHC plows they would put a 14" bottom on a 12" frame to get a turn that they liked better.

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Randy-IA

05-17-2008 09:01:56




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 Re: Little genius plow in reply to Bernie Steffen, 05-16-2008 17:02:37  
Hi , When you say you bought " bottoms " did you mean you bought everything that bolts up to the beam including the frog ? If so they most likely will not work so well with the narrower beams . If you just got the moldboards and shares then they should not even fit on the frogs . The latest setup is called super plow chief ( easy to get after market parts for - one piece share , one shin , one moldboard ) , then before that plow chief ( parts are there but hard to find and expensive - two piece share , maybe a shin maybe not ) and before that QA - Quick Attach - ( parts are available but expensive - one piece share , one piece moldboard ) with others thrown in just to mess with our minds and to my limited knowledge are not interchangeable between frogs . I have one 3-16" with QA shares , one 4-14" with plow chief and one 3-16" with plow chief but between the three the landsides are all different and it appears so are the frogs but I haven't taken the frogs off yet to compare part numbers . Still researching that mess . So if you got them to bolt up you might as well try plowing with it just don't have high expectations . Good luck ! ...Randy

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ihcarl66

05-16-2008 17:54:02




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 Re: Little genius plow in reply to Bernie Steffen, 05-16-2008 17:02:37  
You could cut 2" off the heel of the share so it would line up with the bottom back edge of the mold board. Just keep the same angle that the heel has. I did that to a Deering sulky plow and it worked fine.I don't know how your plow will do with new style replaceable shares. The old style share points were set for suction to get the plow to go in the ground and stay in the ground.



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Bernie Steffen

05-17-2008 17:04:16




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 Re: Little genius plow in reply to ihcarl66, 05-16-2008 17:54:02  
Thanks for info everybody. I was told Quote,you know how that goes, any plow IH made will bolt up to the little genius plow beams. when I got these bottoms,frog shares moldboard and whatever else, the beams had been cut off at the frog. I held them up to the number 8 and everything is the same. These are one piece shares.shins and moldboards. all parts available at IH. 20 dollars for shares. Bernie Steffen

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Randy-IA

05-17-2008 19:57:01




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 Re: Little genius plow in reply to Bernie Steffen, 05-17-2008 17:04:16  
Hi Bernie , The first sentence I wrote wasn't what I wanted to say . I meant to say they WILL fit but might not plow very well with the narrow throat and wider shares . All frogs are supposed to bolt onto all beams on a #8 plow . So will other model McCormick-Deering and IH bottoms both newer and older from what I've been told . But after considering it further I agree with you . The extra width shouldn't hurt as long as it's all in the wing and not on the landside . You should just have 2" of share hanging out into the open furrow . If not the front bottom will cut sixteen inches causing a slight ridge unless you set the plow carefully behind the tractor two inches to the right of where it would normally be . If the front bottom is cutting sixteen inches it would also throw the center of draft off making the plow trail bad . Some field adjustment will be needed to compensate . It sounds like you got the Super Chief bottoms . Easy to get parts at even the farm and fleet stores . Is your plow a clutch lift or a hydraulic lift ? Just curious . Have Fun ! ...Randy

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Bernie Steffen

05-18-2008 17:31:42




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 Re: Little genius plow in reply to Randy-IA, 05-17-2008 19:57:01  
Randy Plow is a clutch lift. Am looking for parts to convert it to hydraulic lift. Was originally a three bottom plow and I converted it to two bottoms. I don't know the correct terminology but dear old dad used to call plows by number of bottoms. Anyway somebody said plow might not go into ground very well. The good thing about the Super chief frogs is they are adjustable. The holes where they bolt to the beams are slotted and you can adjust the suck in the share by losing the bolts in the frog then tilting the bottom down. Haven't used it yet but getting ready. Thenks for the info Bernie Steffen

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