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soil test are worth while! but means new plan for me

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Dave from MN

04-28-2008 13:58:24

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I brought samples in from 2 parcels of my property and a sample from the 12 acres I am renting for very little. That rentable peice I had planned on planting soybeans. Neighbor that had rented it for 2 season 4-5 years ago told me I was wasting my $20, soil samples are a waste of money, he never does them, and that the only thing that rentable peice was good for was beans, and they never turned out worth a darn for him. Well, talking to the soil service , beans are the worst thing to plant on that ground. To acidic and some other things that just plain cause soybeans to not flourish. He said put corn in and I will be fine with 17-10-30 starter, 200#/acre($67acre), then another 100#($67) sidedress or broadcast per acre later. They recommended 3.7 tons to the acre lime next spring. Then they will test my chicken and cow manure next spring and we will start improving that soil. My ground came back as excellent for corn or beans, just need to use whatever nitrogen I need if I put corn in. On my ground 7.8 acre/7 acre the Phosphorous was 133ppm/178ppm, Potassium was 179ppm/146 ppm. So, now that 12 acres that was gonna be beans is gonna have to be corn, I bought seed for only 7 acres, I'll put beans on that north 7.8 acres next to the rye, and the 7 acres next to the cattle yard will still have to be corn on RR corn, that way I can graze the cornstalks with the cows, or is bean stubble make good grazing leftovers? If I do this I'll have 19 acres corn, 7.8 acres beans, 7 acres of rye. The corn will cost me bout $130/acre for fertilizer, but I may be able to apply enough cow poop and chicken poo to 5 acres. The additional seed corn is gonna cost $$$$, but with this wet cold spring I think Corn is gonna remain high and beans may drop quite a bit. What do some of you think of this? Am I going at it all wrong. Oh yeah, I am premerging with Prowl, to keep the weeds at bay during them first critical days

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mjbrown

04-29-2008 08:25:38

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Re: soil test are worth while! but means new plan for me in reply to Dave from MN, 04-28-2008 13:58:24

If you can be resonably assured of renting that ground for a few years lime will be well worth the money and the sooner the better assuming it is well drained. If it's not well drained, nothing you do with lime or fertilizer will pay. In addition to making the soil hospitable for plant roots it will unlock fertilizer your neighbor has been applying that is locked up in the soil due to it's acidity.
The big three of crop management are.. tile, lime and timeliness.

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gitrib

04-29-2008 06:49:22

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Re: soil test are worth while! but means new plan for me in reply to Dave from MN, 04-28-2008 13:58:24

Sounds like you have a plan. Why short the nutrients for a good crop? We have a small dairy herd of about 15-20 cows on about 15 acres. It raises all of the forage for the cows. We have to really watch the soil. Every thing is irrigated so we have a different schedule. In the fall rye and winter peas Hoe drilled in Bermuda that has been mowed short. Apply fertlizer according to tests.May be 100 lbs of actual N. Water for germination of seed. Gives fall, winter, & spring grazing. Soil tested in
early may need another shot of N. Irrigate as needed. Cows are rotated on pasture. Their is growth for a cutting of rye & peas in late May. Another shot of N after hay comes off along with irrigation. Bermuda is mowed and baled every 28 days. The soil is tested and water is applied. Yes,it pays off. Our Hay tests high in protein and those old girls milk. They can eat a small sq, bale each a day. We bale our own hay. This is a lot of work that must be done on time so their is no setting in the beer parlor.

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paul

04-28-2008 16:38:53

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Re: soil test are worth while! but means new plan for me in reply to Dave from MN, 04-28-2008 13:58:24

Sounds like a plan to me.

I'd put the lime on now, if you can, applying lime is a long term venture - no point in waiting, it would help you yet in 3 months time as the corn is setting up.

Cattle don't like grazing bean stalks, but on the other hand, I fence in about 40 acres every fall mostly for the 20 acres of stalks that will be there. The cattle do spend a lot of time walking the bean field, getting protien from the hulls. A dry fall & they really work it over. I think they kinda like to balance off the cornstalks themselves, protien vs roughage.

They are still out there, make the rounds every day, of course I am feeding them hay & some grain for some time now.

If you need to buy more corn seed, I'd sure look to the Liberty Link corn for that patch of rr corn..... That's what wouls scare me the most on your whole setup, with the crop disked down, you have a lot of volinteer stuff out there & it could be a bad deal.

Albert Lea Seeds will even ship it, if you can't find any closer. It could be worth the extra expense...

--->Paul

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larryh

04-28-2008 16:17:50

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Re: soil test are worth while! but means new plan for me in reply to Dave from MN, 04-28-2008 13:58:24

we quit using them a long time ago absolutely worthless send in a sample from a roadbank that is so poor it will not grow grass tell the lab it was in crop and see what the report says then you will see the real worth or tell them it is going in a government program with the same soil and see the difference in the tests

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ed1

04-28-2008 14:46:21

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Re: soil test are worth while! but means new plan for me in reply to Dave from MN, 04-28-2008 13:58:24

For new ground a soil test is allways a good think just to see what your working with.

Their recomending a lot - really a lot of Lime. The field will we white after this.

I've allways been told 1 ton per acre per year is about the max for lime. Anything over that isn't really going to help you.

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RickB

04-28-2008 14:41:36

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Re: soil test are worth while! but means new plan for me in reply to Dave from MN, 04-28-2008 13:58:24

Recommendations vary by location and other factors, but "here" there isn't much economic benefit to applying more than about 2T/A of lime at any one time. And if your ground needs a total of 3.7T/a, there sure as heck isn't any economic advantage to waiting a full year to get started on the lime program. If you can get 2T/A on it this spring, do it. If not, get started on it this fall. Lime takes time to work, and 3.7T/a next spring won't do much for the '09 crop.

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RickB

04-28-2008 14:40:47

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Re: soil test are worth while! but means new plan for me in reply to Dave from MN, 04-28-2008 13:58:24

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nw_bearcat

04-29-2008 06:34:23

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Re: soil test are worth while! but means new plan for me in reply to RickB, 04-28-2008 14:40:47

i don"t just know what the spring is doing where you"re at, but I wouldn"t let a lime spreader on my ground this spring. We"re far enough behind here in IA already, and I wouldn"t want the compaction of a lime rig, or to wait on one before I started doing any work.

My rec. would be to blend in some pel-lime with your spring fert if you"re spreading some dry, or make a seperate trip if you"re not. Don"t put on a lot, but it will help for this season. Then you can spread your 2-3 ton this fall and disc in for next year"s crop. If it"s rental ground, the trend is for the landowner to pay at least part of the liming cost as that"s a long term investment/improvement to the land.

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IaGary

04-28-2008 14:28:50

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Re: soil test are worth while! but means new plan for me in reply to Dave from MN, 04-28-2008 13:58:24

It sounds like a plan to me.

Cows do not get much grazing out of bean stubble.

When I would turn my 70 pairs on 4o acres of bean stubble they would go around the field once in a day and then go back to the short of grass pasture.

Gary

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James Howell

04-28-2008 17:36:21

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Re: soil test are worth while! but means new plan for me in reply to IaGary, 04-28-2008 14:28:50

Hello Gary,

Nancy and I abandon all technology: no phone, no computers, no email, no voice mail, etc. every weekend and go to the farm.

I always make it a priority to answer everyone's questions.

The sprayer on Nancy's tractor did not have a spray boom when we bought it.

It did not have a center spray nozzle.

We read the coverage rates on the spray nozzle packages and did some research on the web.

As with a lot of our equipment, we sometimes use "farmer tech" to make it work.

Nancy is the smarter of the two so she designed and built the spray boom to her liking.

Thanks for asking.

To stay on topic, we get a soil sample every spring on our hay meadow.

Based on the sample, we apply the recommended "mix" of fertilizer after the first cutting.

We fertilize again after the last cutting for winter root growth.

This seems to work for us on our small scale hay operation.

Center Nozzle

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IaGary

04-28-2008 19:13:15

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Re: soil test are worth while! but means new plan for me in reply to James Howell, 04-28-2008 17:36:21

Without evenly spaced and evenly pressured nozzles you do not get even spray coverage.

Don't know what you were spraying but it does make a difference on most chemicals and fertilizers.

Gary

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