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what do jointers do?

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Kenny_T

04-13-2008 19:57:37




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I have a 2 furrow dearborn plow with scotch bottoms in good shape and it is mostly complete. I just replaced the shares and stripped the paint from the mouldboards. The only thing missing is the jointers, do I need them and what is their purpose? Also why is one coulter a cutaway and one is not and what's the difference? Any info on this plow and how to adjust it would be greatly appreciated I realize I just asked a lot.
I will be pulling this with my trusty TEA 20.

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Texasmark

04-16-2008 06:56:52




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 Re: what do jointers do? in reply to Kenny_T, 04-13-2008 19:57:37  
Boy did I mis this one. Ha! I thought you were referring to a joiner that is used to plane wood.

On the moldboard, I totally agree with the comment that they have to have all the parts and it and the tractor have to be setup properly.

Also, agree on the use only as a "sodbuster".

Other than the above problems, I never liked the bumpy mess they left behind. Next trip over that field with a cultivating harrow is a butt buster for sure.

Mark

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8N'r--WI

04-14-2008 13:11:24




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 Re: what do jointers do? in reply to Kenny_T, 04-13-2008 19:57:37  
Kenny---I use a Dearborn plow like yours. Here is a link that helped me with me original setup.

You can also find original copies of the owners manuals on ebay on a regular basis.

If the plow is set up correctly and your Fergy is decent, that plow was made to be pulled by the Ford N tractors and the Fergusons.

Have fun---Tim

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Hugh MacKay

04-14-2008 03:24:33




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 Re: what do jointers do? in reply to Kenny_T, 04-13-2008 19:57:37  
Kenny: Jointer do one thing and one thing only, they were never intended for covering crop residue such as straw and stover. In fact in those conditions they only add to your four letter word vocabulary. They cause the plow to plug much worse and faster in those conditions.

As MF Poor said, they were intended for sod plowing only, to cut the landside top edge off the furrow and throw it down in front of the furrow to be covered. Yes they do have to be adjusted perfectly to do the job intended. Quite valuable in early fall plowing of sod. With the top edge off the furrow one didn't get that grass growth between the furrows after plowing. If your plowing sod very close to freeze up that will kill the grass, jointers are not very important.

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garytomaszewski

04-14-2008 12:35:42




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 Re: what do jointers do? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-14-2008 03:24:33  
MF, HUGH; Didn't think I could get smarter, know I feel dumber every day. When ever we had sod to plow, it was always(almost) in the fall so the roots could "freeze out", then we used what was shaped like a disc blade(concave) type coulters for roll. Thanks, now if I can only remember.



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MF Poor

04-14-2008 13:10:20




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 Re: what do jointers do? in reply to garytomaszewski, 04-14-2008 12:35:42  
Here's a Ferguson plow on EBAY. It's got a set of joiners. They're a little hard to see, but look CLOSELY at the right side of the coulters. They're visible in pictures #2 and #4.

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paul

04-14-2008 09:45:44




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 Re: what do jointers do? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-14-2008 03:24:33  
Oh - are jointers those little mini shovels? Guess I was thinking of a cover board perhaps?

There are extensions off the rear top of the plow bottom.

There are little oblong clips that sit above the plow bottom about on the shank.

Then there are the very rare (around here anyhow) little mini bottoms that plow ahead of the plow molboard.

Think all of them get rolled into the same name locally.....

--->Paul

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MF Poor

04-14-2008 10:04:52




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 Re: what do jointers do? in reply to paul, 04-14-2008 09:45:44  
I've seen joiners that simply replace the coulters' shank and all. MOST joiners mount to the coulter bracket and run right along side of the coulter. They resemble a very small moldboard. They simply "plow" a 2" or 3" wide strip of sod so that it doesn't show green after the furrow is turned over. You'll see joiners on many of the plows used in vintage class ploughing matches.

Coverboards (AKA trash boards) are what you're talking about that mount just above the moldboard/shin. They're a curved piece that throws weeds/stalks/trash into the furrow so the moldboard can put the turned dirt on top of it.

Moldboard extentions go on the very tail end of the moldboard. They're supposed to help roll sod over "green side down". From what I've seen of them, they're designed to abuse YOUR shins while the plow is sitting in the barn :o

As you mentioned, names for almost all farm implements and their parts take on regional names. Never heard a disc called a disc harrow until I got on this site. And around here, a "harrow" is pronounced HAR-EE (rhymes with car EE)

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Hugh MacKay

04-14-2008 13:39:55




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 Re: what do jointers do? in reply to MF Poor, 04-14-2008 10:04:52  
MF Poor I like your description of moldboard extensions, kind of like having a shin at both end of the moldboard, at least it feels like one left their shin behind.

I come from the east coast of Canada, and we always spelled them jointers, I notice your using joiners, I understand your from KY.



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MF Poor

04-14-2008 16:09:03




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 Re: what do jointers do? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-14-2008 13:39:55  
I think it IS joinTer. I flunked spelling in school. ;)



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MF Poor

04-14-2008 02:59:42




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 Re: what do jointers do? in reply to Kenny_T, 04-13-2008 19:57:37  
Ever plow sod and have the green edge of the turned furrow still showing on EVERY furrow? When they"re adjusted correctly, joiners are SUPPOSED to work like a little plow bottom and take that portion of the sod that always remains showing and cut it, then throw it on top of the ground in front of the plow bottom so it can be buried instead of showing afterwards. They work in ideal conditions (if adjusted PERFECTLY) but are a nuisence in anything less than ideal conditions.

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JMS/.MN

04-13-2008 21:08:57




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 Re: what do jointers do? in reply to Kenny_T, 04-13-2008 19:57:37  
They do what paul and gary say- rats...I thought you were talking about something in the basement woodworking shop- like a jointer/planer! But yes- some plow parts that most of us have not seen for decades. Good and useful in their day. Part of the transition of farming implements.



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Gary,kansas

04-13-2008 21:01:38




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 Re: what do jointers do? in reply to Kenny_T, 04-13-2008 19:57:37  
Good looking plow, I wish I had it and you had a better one. Back in the day, in heavy trash, some guy's in our area used the notched coulters, they felt they would keep turning and cut the trash while the disc type would slide causing the plow to plug. I guess you have both, so you can decide for yourself.



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paul

04-13-2008 20:54:44




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 Re: what do jointers do? in reply to Kenny_T, 04-13-2008 19:57:37  
Jointer can help cover alfalfa, cornstalks, etc when you plow it under. Or it can help plug up the plow faster & worse... Never used any, so you can sure get by without; depends what you want to do & your needs on if they are a better or worse idea.

Notched and/or fluted coulters can help cut through cornstalks or the like better/ keep turning through muddy conditions, smooth are likely cheaper and work well too. Bigger is better, by far, the diameter is the most important thing.

--->Paul

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garytomaszewski

04-13-2008 20:35:44




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 Re: what do jointers do? in reply to Kenny_T, 04-13-2008 19:57:37  
Jointers were just an additional turning/covering device to bury stover, most are laying ing the spare parts pile behind the barn because they are a pain to get properly adjusted and adjustment varied with field conditions. The colter may just have been replaced with what was handy, remember that machine has 50+ years of history.



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garytomaszewski

04-13-2008 21:07:46




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 Re: what do jointers do? in reply to garytomaszewski, 04-13-2008 20:35:44  
Should have added; plow needs to be leveled by threepoint arms, front to back and side to side. This adjustment is different when starting the field (both rear wheels on level ground) and after the first furrow when right wheel is lower. But basically level in use, then fine tune for more/less penetration with control arms.



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