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marshall grn

04-04-2008 16:21:53




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I am new at this farming, just trying to put in some good food plots, my question is when i use my massey 3 bottom plow is my plow supposed to dig level with all 3 plows? mine seem to go from deep on right side to shallow on left side, thanks for the knowledge




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Randy-IA

04-06-2008 10:51:03




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 Re: proper plowing in reply to marshall grn, 04-04-2008 16:21:53  
Hi , That's a good tractor but serious overkill for a three bottom . Get a smaller tractor or bigger plow maybe . For food plots I'd opt for the smaller tractor - much more maneuverable . All the info given so far is the best you'll get . The plow - no matter the size - has to run level in three planes . But that's just the tip of the ice burg . The shares need the right amount of suck to stay in the ground . I had that problem on a new to me Little Genius last fall . I thought I had it leveled but the rear end would come out of the ground . I had two problems actually , 1) I had it hitched slightly to high which pulled down on the front and 2) the rear share was worn out ( no suck ) so it didn't WANT to stay in the ground . In other words the point was to high guiding the rear end up instead of forward . This was on a pull type but it should be similar with a mounted or semi-mounted plow .

I'm not sure on a three point hitch but I don't think you want the top link to hold the plow in the ground , I know on a semi-mount and pull type you don't use the top link so I would venture a guess that it's not needed on a three point setup either . It's just used to lift the plow for transport and should ride loosely when plowing . I use and own only pull types and semi-mounts myself . If the front of the tractor rides high it'll push the plow deeper causing a chain reaction . On a semi-mount the top link is used only as a safety device to keep the tractor from going over backwards in those rare cases that traction overcomes gravity .


Another thing to check is the distance to furrow edge from center line of pull of the tractor and the plow . I can't see getting this right with a three bottom on that large of a tractor with a TPH setup . I really couldn't do it right with my three bottom pull type behind my Oliver 1755 without setting the wheels in so tight that I would have had to remove my fenders . The center line of pull for a 16" plow is 28 inches from the furrow wall so the inside of the right rear tire on the tractor should be set no closer to the center of the tractor than that plus I add about 1/2 an inch or so to account for sidewall flex and for a small amount of room to wander . If the 4020 tires can be moved in that close then you're good to go from that standpoint . For a 14" plow it's 24-1/2" from the furrow wall for a 18" it's 31-1/2" and for a 20" it's 35" . Double these numbers to get tire setting between tires . There's a lot to know about plowing correctly and I'm still learning a little more each time I do it . Good luck ! ...Randy

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Fred T. Hart Jr.

04-05-2008 08:47:25




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 Re: proper plowing in reply to marshall grn, 04-04-2008 16:21:53  
Hey great tractor, you probably have the #1 tractor of all time, one of the best power to weight ratios of any tractor that was ever made. It sure put John Deere on the road to tractor history.


I feel kind of stupid informing you of some of my plow ideas as you have such a large tractor, with that hp about 90+ i guess you could pull the 3 MF plow set backwards if you wanted too.

The reason most turning plows are so cheap is because not many farmers use them anymore, they either no-till or use chisel plows. I like chisel plows as they leave the land level, no plow furrows.

Might check into one if it comes along, takes about 10 hp per chisel, so you could pull a 7 or 9 depending on how heavy the machine.

Good luck.

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marshall grn

04-05-2008 05:52:27




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 Re: proper plowing in reply to marshall grn, 04-04-2008 16:21:53  
my combo is a john deere 4020 wide front with a i think massey 3 bottom plow im not sure how long shears, it does flip dirt over good not just (push) as i have heard some people say, again thanks for all the responses



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Fred T. Hart Jr.

04-04-2008 19:36:21




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 Re: proper plowing in reply to marshall grn, 04-04-2008 16:21:53  
you have received good info. Plowing is a bit of a art and it takes a while to get everything adjusted.

However, just as with different trucks, cars, tractors, etc: some plows will work smoother than others.
What tractor and plow comb do you have?

Another factor that is often missed is right side wheel spacing. You can not have the front tire adjusted out farther from center line of tractor than the back tire. If so and you try to keep the front tire aganist the furrow your tractor will be running at an angle to the plowed furrow all the time. I know this sounds wild, but take a long straight 2x4 and place it up aganist the inside of the right side back tire, if there is a space between the front tire and the 2x4 your front tire is spaced too far out, bring it in so it is equal to or closer to center line of tractor than back tire.
Believe me this will help you as you try to plow.

The three plows, if set right will follow the tractor almost like a trailer. Both lower arm chains will be loose and the plow will follow straight behind tractor.

May take you a while to get to that point and just plowing small plots, you may never get there. It takes a while for the plows the clean themself's if they have rust, will plow better when they have a high shine.

also if you do get it right and all is good with the world, write down the some basic numbers. Length of top arm, height off ground of left bottow arm and right bottom arm. So next time you hookup to plow you will have everything set and you can enjoy the experience.

Good luck, as you see I enjoy plowing

I have a TO-35 Ferguson with factory 3-12" plows and they do smooth level work.

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JMS/.MN

04-04-2008 18:16:11




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 Re: proper plowing in reply to marshall grn, 04-04-2008 16:21:53  
Any plow, whether mounted or pull-type, should run with the frame level when plowing. Side to side, and front to back. On a 3pt plow- use the crank(s) on the lift arms to level side to side. If your is running deep on the right side, turn the crank on the right lift arm to raise the arm. Yes, setting up blocks before going to the field does work, but you can just go to the field, observe the results, and make the adjustment.

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wolfman

04-04-2008 17:16:34




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 Re: proper plowing in reply to marshall grn, 04-04-2008 16:21:53  
Before you go to the field, find a level spot in your lane, put left tires up on say 8 inch blocks, place plow on ground, disconnect all three hitch points and re-attach them to meet the sitting plow, connecting the top link last. If after tractor is on the blocks, the plow is tough to disconnect that means it was adjusted wrong. Maybe in the field, you may need to fine tune-but not much. Shorten top link to make plow heel in quicker; adjust right leveling lift link to start a new land, etc.

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marshall grn

04-04-2008 17:55:35




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 Re: proper plowing in reply to wolfman, 04-04-2008 17:16:34  
makes since, i will try this ,thank you



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