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Bale Wagon Stringer Question

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Mark (PA)

04-02-2008 05:28:37




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Hello all, I have read about 100 threads on making a hay wagon as I am going to be doing here probably this weekend. I have the running gear done already. It is a 5 ton Coby and took some work but its all ready to go again.

Next question I have is on the Main beams or stringers. I do not have a source that will cut me 16' stringers. All the sawmills locally will do only 12' lengths. that said I probably will have to go with the treated lumber route from the local building supply center.

They have 4 x 6 x 16, 6 x 6 x 16, or I would have to go the 2 x 8 or 2 x 10 bolting together route. Price difference between 2 x 10's bolts and 6 x 6 is $20.

I am looking for opinions or suggestions on what size i'll need to use to get 10 - 15 years out of this wagon at least? Thanks!

PS I plan on doing 4 x 4's cross ways and running my deck lengthwise so height on the main beams does not matter for wheel clearance.

I will also mention that I am connecting the 4 x 4's to the stringers with some angle. 1 bolt into the string and 1 into the 4 x 4. wagon will be 8 x 14 because I have lots of hills to contend with. bracing backboards to back of stringers on an angle. letting the extra 2' hang out the back for that purpose.

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Kelly C

04-03-2008 06:40:17




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 Re: Bale Wagon Stringer Question in reply to Mark (PA), 04-02-2008 05:28:37  
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I had a local lumber mill cut me some 4 by 8 16 foot stringers. White oak.
These worked very well for me.
I have also used 2 2by 8's nailed together.
But I prefer the oak to treated.



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Joe in IN

04-03-2008 06:14:11




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 Re: Bale Wagon Stringer Question in reply to Mark (PA), 04-02-2008 05:28:37  
Your on the right path.. I will say I am not very happy with the wagon I put 4X4's on as the cross members. When loaded being only 4 inches it flexes on the end. I run 2X6's across, mostly 2 foot on center(except around the wheels maybe) and do not see it flex. Of couse I also put a board running length of bed onthe end of each 2X6. Maybe you should do that so the end of the 4X4 will have more end support.

Same wagon, I also used a 4X6 as stringers...again not happy. 2 2X8's bolted together..much better. No flex at all. That darn 4X6 flexes a great deal. I will be sistering a 2X6 with it this year, one of these days after bending it will break(wagon is only 3 years old, treated pine). I would think 2 or 3 boards bolted would be stronger than a 4 X or 6 X. Much the same as a laminated post for a barn. Grain of wood will be going different directions and be stronger...

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Mark (PA)

04-02-2008 11:28:52




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 Re: Bale Wagon Stringer Question in reply to Mark (PA), 04-02-2008 05:28:37  
Hi Guys thanks for all the help with this! Not sure what I'll do yet but thanks for the ideas!



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Jim in Ma.

04-02-2008 09:55:32




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 Re: Bale Wagon Stringer Question in reply to Mark (PA), 04-02-2008 05:28:37  
I used 2 2x12 pressure treated with 1/2" plywood in between and put them together with liquid nails and deck screws for each side 16' long. For the floor I used 2x6 put on crossways "also with deck screws" with a 2x4 on each side to hold things from sliding off.Works pretty good for me.



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Michael Soldan

04-02-2008 10:05:38




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 Re: Bale Wagon Stringer Question in reply to Jim in Ma., 04-02-2008 09:55:32  
Jim, I did the same thing with the last haywagon I did. I glued 3/4" plywood between the 2x12's. I carry 120 to 140 small squares per load or 8 big rounds, it seems as strong as the 3x10x16' timbers I had cut for another rack.



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phillip d

04-02-2008 08:03:49




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 Re: Bale Wagon Stringer Question in reply to Mark (PA), 04-02-2008 05:28:37  
I have seen some people use an old 5 ton truck frame.Than they blow holes in the frame with a tortch to use thread rod to fasten the wood to.Strong,lasts for quiet a few decades.You just adjust the waggon standards and the frame just sits in,once you cut all the running gear and cab off.



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Iowa Jim

04-02-2008 07:41:11




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 Re: Bale Wagon Stringer Question in reply to Mark (PA), 04-02-2008 05:28:37  
We used 2x12 treated pine for our stringers on all of our wagons. OUr wagons are 20' long so it was much cheaper to build our own stringers. We bolted three 2x12s together along with heavy amounts of Gorilla Glue to make the 20' stringers. We used a mix of lengths to make them so the splices were overlapping and did not weaken the stringer.

Jim



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04-02-2008 07:20:05




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Lee in Iowa

04-02-2008 06:31:47




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 Re: Bale Wagon Stringer Question in reply to Mark (PA), 04-02-2008 05:28:37  
I've built two, used 6x6s on the 16 foot long and and three 2x6s nailed together on the 20 foot. On the one with three 2x6s I put valley tin between 2 of them, some say this makes it stronger and I do haul 8 1800 round bales on this on a regular basis. I just laid treated 2x6s on top of the stringers crossways for the deck. I did have to use blocks under the stringers to make it high enough, so I would use 2x8 or 10 next time. I bolted 2x12s upright to the back ends of the stringers for the back end that only takes a foot and no other bracing is needed. And if you cut these 2x12s on an angle so the back end leans back it helps keep your bales from tipping forward when you go down hill. Lee

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IaGary

04-02-2008 06:11:26




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 Re: Bale Wagon Stringer Question in reply to Mark (PA), 04-02-2008 05:28:37  
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If you want it to last use steel for the frame.

Dad built this rack in 64 and it still has the original wood on it.

When you use wood it will hold moisture where the two boards or stringers intersect. Unless you plan on storing it inside.

This rack has been outside all of its life.

It was used steel when he built the rack. And still going strong. There are a couple of boards that need replaced but after 44 years that isn't to bad.

Stringers are 6" channels and cross channels are 3".

I would only lean the back about 1 foot, that will be plenty.

By the way does that gear look like yours?

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Mark (PA)

04-02-2008 11:24:51




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 Re: Bale Wagon Stringer Question in reply to IaGary, 04-02-2008 06:11:26  
Hi Gary Yes it looks similar but a bit hard for me to tell by only seeing the back end. maybe easier to see the front and steering mechanism.

I don't have access to steel unfortunetly.



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IaGary

04-02-2008 18:19:12




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 Re: Bale Wagon Stringer Question in reply to Mark (PA), 04-02-2008 11:24:51  
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Here is the front of the wagon.

It is a Colby running gear.

Gary



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Mark (PA)

04-03-2008 04:46:30




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 Re: Bale Wagon Stringer Question in reply to IaGary, 04-02-2008 18:19:12  
Yea its easy to tell now! hehe.

on my hitch it needed a little welding on the from portion. otherwise it seems ok.



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jhilyer

04-02-2008 07:35:54




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 Re: Bale Wagon Stringer Question in reply to IaGary, 04-02-2008 06:11:26  
IAGary,
Are the cross channels welded to the main channels, or bolted?

Thanks,
- Jim H.



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IaGary

04-02-2008 18:16:57




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 Re: Bale Wagon Stringer Question in reply to jhilyer, 04-02-2008 07:35:54  
Welded.



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BCnT

04-02-2008 06:01:10




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 Re: Bale Wagon Stringer Question in reply to Mark (PA), 04-02-2008 05:28:37  
bolting and gluing the 2x together will be stronger than single dimension lumber.
also look into laminated beams...doubt they would be any cheaper but they are load rated.



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