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Me and my JD 327....Baling Charge??

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Joe in IN

03-24-2008 07:33:27




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What would the going rate for me and my baler(sm square JD 327) baling for a guy.

We would use his tractor, his wagon, he would have his hay cut and raked. He would stack his own hay.

I would merely drive to his place(5 miles away) pulling my baler, and then drive his tractor while we baled and he stacked.

Looking for fair market rate to charge. Can be hay or $.




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johns48jdb

03-25-2008 16:25:11




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 Re: Me and my JD 327....Baling Charge?? in reply to Joe in IN, 03-24-2008 07:33:27  
i never was comfortable using another guys tractor for anything, especailly bailing hay. i watch ever blade of grass that gors in the baler and i'm more comfortabel with knowing where the controls are if i have to get to them and shut them off in a hurry. my baler had the short tounge in it and i've seen the time that a snake would be picked up in the windrow and jump up on the baler and run from edge to edge trying to get off that hot tin. i didn't mind to much until he ran up to the flywheel and was looking at me and i was close enough for him to jump on me from the bailer. then is when i was glad i knew how to get it out of gear and get off in a hurry.

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ArleninOr

03-25-2008 09:41:39




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 Re: Me and my JD 327....Baling Charge?? in reply to Joe in IN, 03-24-2008 07:33:27  
Always figured my cut,rake and bale prices at half of the price of a bale of hay. IE: $3.00 per bale if hay is selling for $6.oo Simple math so why go broke or lose money. Been doing this way for 30 plus years and still doing it this way today. No complaints just grumblings.



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confederategeneral

03-24-2008 22:18:38




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 Re: Me and my JD 327....Baling Charge?? in reply to Joe in IN, 03-24-2008 07:33:27  
what gets me is driving 5 miles with a baler where I live my nearest neighbor is 5 miles away and here in bama neighbors don't charge neighbors for helping them out on the farm,glad I don't have some of you guys for a neighbor. R.E.Lee



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Keith in NW MO

03-25-2008 07:47:16




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 Re: Me and my JD 327....Baling Charge?? in reply to confederategeneral, 03-24-2008 22:18:38  
It says for a guy, not my best friend.
I sure wouldn't let my friends or neighbors bale for nothing for me. I darn sure dont expect someone to do it without compensation. Many times I have helped neighbors for help back when needed.



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Joe in IN

03-25-2008 06:25:30




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 Re: Me and my JD 327....Baling Charge?? in reply to confederategeneral, 03-24-2008 22:18:38  
Oh he isn't a neighbor... He is my step-father-in-law....(married my wifes mother)

We learned long ago when it comes to ventures for profit we deal at arms length.

If I have a busted pipe, he will drive through 3 foot a snow to come help.... He had septic issues(yuck), I was in a 4 foot deep trench, in 2 feet of poop water, with a thunderstorm going on helping him...So we help each other out....Farm ventures are arms length however....that is our deal.

I do have a twine baler and current price of hay is closer to $6 in my area....

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flying belgian

03-24-2008 17:23:31




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 Re: Me and my JD 327....Baling Charge?? in reply to Joe in IN, 03-24-2008 07:33:27  
$60 bucks an hour. He buys the twine.



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paul

03-24-2008 09:30:34




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 Re: Me and my JD 327....Baling Charge?? in reply to Joe in IN, 03-24-2008 07:33:27  
Look to your state extension. I found this for Iowa:

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That 48 cents is for the tractor/fuel as well tho - I should think 10-20 cents would cover the baler alone.

Who is buying the twine?

What do you want for your labor? That varries a lot. You got the easy job, so wouldn't be much 'here'. :)

--->Paul



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Keith in NW MO

03-24-2008 19:11:54




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 Re: Me and my JD 327....Baling Charge?? in reply to paul, 03-24-2008 09:30:34  
That must have be written by someone never been near a baler. Wire for my baler cost 20 to 30 cents per bale depending on length of bale and how I get the wire bought. How in the world could you let someone use your baler for 10 to 20 cents per bale. Let alone add the labor in.
I get $1 to $1.25 per bale to bale with my fuel, baler and tractor, which is probably not enough.
If I couldn't get 60 to 70 cents for the baler I would let it sit in the shed.

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WyoDave

03-25-2008 06:40:56




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 Re: Me and my JD 327....Baling Charge?? in reply to Keith in NW MO, 03-24-2008 19:11:54  
60 to 70 cents for just the baler? You have to be kidding. A new baler similar to his will cost $20,000. It'll bale 250,000 bales in its life without any problems. If you can get .65 a bale you'd make $162,500 on that baler. Subtract the cost of the baler and you have $142,500. That will pay for a lot of repairs. You better be on your way to town to order 10 new balers and then rent them out for .65 a bale. Sit back and become a millionaire. David

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Keith in NW MO

03-25-2008 07:56:04




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 Re: Me and my JD 327....Baling Charge?? in reply to WyoDave, 03-25-2008 06:40:56  
Why would you want to work for nothing.
How much labor would it take for baling 250,000 bales think of the time involved.
What would you charge mabe I'll get you to come bale mine. If you will bring your baler, twine and labor for 10 to 20 cents your hired. Immediately.
In his first post it didnt say anything about a family memeber it just said a guy.



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WyoDave

03-25-2008 10:45:01




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 Re: Me and my JD 327....Baling Charge?? in reply to Keith in NW MO, 03-25-2008 07:56:04  
O.K. Figure the labor. 250,000 bales will take you what, 1000 hours total, but lets say it takes you 2000 hours. Say you have to hire someone at $20 an hour. That's $40,000 more. You still have $100,000 to make repairs. No where did it say anything about twine, so disregard that. I'm not going to give you any price, because it wouldn't be worth loading up and heading from Wyoming to Indiana to bale your few bales of hay, but if you're willing to pay .65 you'll be able to find someone to do your baling. I will say to get back on track, that last year John Deere would have leased a brand new 348 baler for .25 a bale. No twine, tractor, fuel or labor just the machine for .25. Now this isn't a new baler, so it isn't worth quite as much. I'd go .20 a bale, plus figure what you think your time is worth.

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Keith in NW MO

03-25-2008 16:53:50




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 Re: Me and my JD 327....Baling Charge?? in reply to WyoDave, 03-25-2008 10:45:01  
Ya your right lets see, 20,000 bales per year at 20 cents thats $4000 per year. Ya thats getting wealth, I can see me now on a beach somewhere. Till the parts bill gets here, and ya lets see I need to pay myself for my time. $4000 minus well lets see 300 bucks for my time.
250,000 times 20 cents=$50,000 lifetime income of baler.
20,000 original cost of baler
250,000 lifetime divided by 250 bales per hour= 1000 hours
30,000 minus lifetime parts bill=$5,000 that is way under
25,000 minus interest on invesment, insurance,grease, oil, time spent maintaining baler= $5,000 again this is cheap on 12 to 13 years.
20,000 divided by 12 years = $1666 per year for your trouble Ya its like winning the Loto

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Joe in IN

03-25-2008 09:04:39




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 Re: Me and my JD 327....Baling Charge?? in reply to Keith in NW MO, 03-25-2008 07:56:04  
He is just 'a guy' as far as farming goes....



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paul

03-24-2008 21:11:11




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 Re: Me and my JD 327....Baling Charge?? in reply to Keith in NW MO, 03-24-2008 19:11:54  
I'm assuming he buys the twine. No wire around here!

Bales sell for $1.50 - $3.00 'here'. We have a stable old hay/straw market here.

Sure would be hard to get $1.25 baling hay that sells for $1.75. :)

Just different conditions in different regions.

Fuel, twine, & tractor does add a lot to the expenses. Take those away, & a baler with a million bales or so on it doesn't really cost much to make another 500 or so. That's the thinking around these parts.

--->Paul

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Keith in NW MO

03-25-2008 05:32:31




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 Re: Me and my JD 327....Baling Charge?? in reply to paul, 03-24-2008 21:11:11  
Twine would cost near half so you still would be baling for the same as the twine cost.
Sorry just doesnt make sense to me why you would donate your wear and tear as well as time.
If I spent $50 or more per acre for fertilizer then baled the hay and put it away $1.75 wouldnt start to cover the expenses. That is 1960 prices, that isnt even a real figure around here. The rent and costs add up higher than that, In this part of Missouri it closer to $5 per bale and I'm not sure thats enough.

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