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Bret4207

03-09-2008 07:10:15




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I'm interested in everyones opinion of the best brand of moldboard plows. I have IH, Case, Oliver and a busted set of Dearborn. IMO The best I have are the Case 3 pt and IH Little Genius trailers. I'm getting a 55 hp diesel and want to move up to a 3 bottom mounted plow. On my heavy clay I'd love a set of Kvernlands but my wallet says used 60's-70's plows.

I have access to Deere plows but hear they pull hard. IH and MF are also around. I'm not looking for stubble plows, but sod plows suitable for heavy clay lightening to a clay loam, ledgy not much free stone, looking at 14 or 16's probably, plowing not over 8" deep. Parts support is a consideration as my older IH and Case plows are getting hard to find parts for. Ease of pull and good turn over with decent wear are my big concerns. I don't use chemicals much, so good plowing and coverage is an issue.

Thanks in advance.

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HILL KY

03-17-2008 13:44:41




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
Allis Chalmers. Wd-45 with traction booster and snap coupler will pull 3 bottoms any where you wanna go in third gear! (5 MPH)



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sammy the RED

03-14-2008 04:52:26




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
Oliver and IHC always made a good plow.

They were the plow's of choice back in the Old Days. 8)



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Bret4207

03-12-2008 11:39:42




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
True enough Hugh. I'm no great shakes on setting up a 3 pt plow. I understand the basics but have never owned a plow that I could get adjusted quite right. Thats where the old trailer plows like the Little Genius shine. You can get them set for almost any tractor. Sometimes the mounted plows I've used just run out of adjustment before I get them right. I suppose that comes from trying to use too stuff like a Case Eagle hitch plow on a Ford 800.
I'm thinking 3 bottoms may be a bit much as Glen said I think. Maybe 2 16's, or 2-18's instead of 3 14's.

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03-10-2008 14:08:03




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
Running a total of 2 Massey model 880 spring trip plows here. Have a 6 bottom and a 4. We also run a Massey 88 in a 4 bottom model. They all pull easy and do a very nice job. 6 bottoms on a 195 horse tractor is extremely fuel efficient as the motor never works.



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tim[in]

03-10-2008 13:44:38




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
I've used oliver and allis plows.also dmi and white. Every one loved olivers around here . Me a good plow is one that will cover trash and i can get parts for.Some plows are "quarter turn" and some flip the dirt completely over.The allis turns it on the 1/4 or on its side and if you can plan your plowing so it throws it up hill ,it would do a nice job of holding the soil and water in place. There is a small fergusen chisel plow that has springs and is the side of a small ford 2 row cultivator. I've not had time to try it out.My only concern is the small plow soles or hard pans that chisel plows leave ifyou work the ground too wet.Most people dont even realize they can have a problem with them using a chisel plows but sometimes you'll notice the plow seems to sink into and follow old"ruts" if you plow the same direction.I especially noticed it in one field after talking to the neighbor about it and we have clay subsoil which probably doesnt help.

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Glenn F.

03-10-2008 10:01:48




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
Maybe this has already been said, but if your definition of heavy clay is the same as mine, 3-14's is gonna' be too much for 55 hp.

Glenn F.



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Bret4207

03-10-2008 02:55:10




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
Thanks for the replies guys. Jump, I'll see about the Ford/Oliver 101's. Nice to see you're still kicking!

Chris- Here in the soggy east on clay we fall plow and let the winter break it up. A chisel is considerd a stubble tool. They do nice work in lighter ground, but i have no clue where I'd find one small enough to use on my ground. Plus, with a good mouldboard plow my trash in buried, I can sort of contour plow for water control and gradually mix my subsoil and topsoil to lighten it a bit and get the compaction broke up.

Hugh- No doubt you're right about adjustment. But if you have a good plow to start with that's half the battle isn't it?

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Hugh MacKay

03-11-2008 04:19:49




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-10-2008 02:55:10  
Bret: When I hear someone saying a certain brand of plow pulls hard, my first reaction, "He's someone who doesn't know how to set that particular plow." He may get along fine with another brand.

Another factor, and I've gone to a quite few plow days, clinics, etc., and it will just surprise you how many lifelong farmers don't know how to set a plow. I was very lucky, my dad and a neighbor, who's farm I bought were both championship plowmem. I learned a lot from those two guys.

I had another neighbor up the road, a bachelor and very particular farmer. He used to say it wasn't hard to tell the two farmers on each side of his farm were related to each other, you could tell by the mess they made plowing. They farmed all the years I did and they never improved. A community group talked the bachelor into hosting a first ever for the area plowing match. I didn't compete due to other commitments, and my bachelor friend decided since he was hosting, that would take his time, and he felt as a host, best not to compete. I saw him two days later, asked how the plowing match went. His reaction, "My farm will never be the same again, it will take me 20 years to get it level." Sad but this scenario is not uncommon.

My dad always said if he couldn't drive his 59 Chevy Impalla at 50 mph across any hayfield, someone screwed up on tillage, and most likely the guilty party was the plowman. I think dad would be awfully disappointed if he wre alive today. I've done a lot of custom work, seen a tremendous amout of rough land. In 1978 I bought a new combine, 16' floating cutter bar and automatic header height control, those don't made a great bulldozer blade. After two years I just refused to combine 75% of all fields in the area. If you drive the county roads today, just slow down and watch that guy making 4 to 7 mph doing any job with a tractor. If he's being tossed around, you know someone is a poor plowman. I equate good plowing to grading a gravel road, you've got to cut it to a smooth under surface, then spread the loose material. Come tillage time go for a drive on a country road, count the percentage of tractor operators having smooth ride in relation those having a rough ride. The numbers will alarm you. I've done it in several provinces and states, figures don't change a lot from place to place. Plain and simple, 80% of farmers don't know how to plow properly, and most of it is right in plow settings.

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Chris in ND

03-11-2008 20:50:54




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-11-2008 04:19:49  
Hugh, I agree with every thing you said. You just reminded me why I like my chisel plow so much. The village idiot could set one up correctly and it is really hard to mess up the field with one.



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JoshuaGA

03-09-2008 20:14:49




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
Allan, what model plow is that? We have a 57 3-4 convertibe plow with a homemade drag, although we dont use it much anymore due to erosion concerns. I myself would like to find a 3 bottom plow with coulters to plow terraces with, and use the other one for hay mainly. I recon I rambled enough.

JoshuaGA

P.S. That plow and our 1100 were both bought new.



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Allan In NE

03-11-2008 03:52:57




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to JoshuaGA, 03-09-2008 20:14:49  
It's a 57 with 18" bottoms.

Allan



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Chris in ND

03-09-2008 19:44:46




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
We have both JD and IHC moldboard plows in the weeds by the tree rows, and perhaps this is a regional issue, (I am in SW ND)but why would anyone want to use those things ? Didn't Gramme- Holm resolve the issue with the "conservation plow" as dad calls it ? A chisel plow with twisted spikes does a great job of breaking ground and turning debris under, sweeps control weeds with far less moisture loss than a turnover plow. All this with no dead furrow and a piece of equipment that is about 1000 times easier and cheaper to maintain than a moldboard plow. Parts are everywhere. Plus with the spring harrows it leaves an excellent seed bed.If I really need to mix up the soil and don't care about dead furrows and moisture loss (like when incorperating manure into the ground) I would hook up to the old Surflex.

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RodInNS

03-09-2008 19:19:44




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
Kverneland. Plow technology has come quite a ways in the last 30 years too (including Kverneland). It's interesting to note that Kverneland, Kuhn and Overum are about the only ones left in the game these days. That should say something....

Rod



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Sparktrician

03-09-2008 16:40:07




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
I always heard John Deere and oliver made the best plows. We have a 548 Oliver 5-16, havent used in 4 years, but work pretty darn good.



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TGIN

03-09-2008 12:18:30




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
I`ve got a 3/14 Massey-Ferguson that I pull with a 574 IH {50-55} HP and it plows good and pulls very easy . Also have a Ford semi-mount 4/16 and it`s about as good as it gets , I think it was the same as the Oliver , it looks the same . I pull it with a Farmall 706 . A guy down the road has a 3/16 semi-mount Oliver and he brags on it all the time .



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mark

03-09-2008 11:58:02




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
Bret,

Get yourself a Ford 101. My new tractor is green, my old one is red. But the plow is blue!

They are easy to find, parts common as fleas on a hound and there is no plow made that is any better. The 101 pulls easy, makes the prettiest plowed ground you ever saw and is a joy to use. Olivers are excellent plows...just not as common as the 101"s are.....in most areas. If I couldn"t find a 101 or an Oliver....I"d keep looking until I did. If you going to buy a JD plow, then look at a 2 bottom. They"re well built, but pull hard.

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Bernhard

03-09-2008 11:50:32




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
Lemken, Rabe or Kuhn. Kuhn is building the JD plows and the JD hay equipment today.



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Hugh MacKay

03-09-2008 11:48:53




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
Bret: The plow is only as good as the guy maintaining and adjusting it. I've been around plows a lot, seen them all pull hard and seen the same ones pull easy. Same goes for quality plowing.



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Farmallb

03-09-2008 11:42:27




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
The second tractor plow dad owned was a MM 2 14. He thought it was the best of all the rest he owned. which were all JDs except for my uncles IHC which he swore was sprung it pulled so hard, The MM was a rope trip, and he kept it after he had gone to hydrolics, and I took it when I left home. Ihave IHC and a Case, and I dont see the difference in the 3 of them, When I had a F 30, It didnt know they were behind it, all 2 14s. The CC Case knows there back there, but has the hps to deal with it, IF the ground is dry enough. As It has narrower tires than a 30, it has a tendancy to go down quicker, and you dont want to let a CC go down even a foot.

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fixerupper

03-09-2008 11:16:19




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
I grew up around Deere's so I don't have any personal experience with anything else, as far as the old trailer plows go. When I was a kid most of the open minded farmers said the Oliver plows did pull the easiest and covered the best. They kind of lifted the soil and then turned it over instead of just pushing it over. Jim



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paul

03-09-2008 10:37:01




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
Oliver got it right first. Bestest plow.

They made the plows for many other companies, as mentioned.

--->Paul



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Allan In NE

03-09-2008 09:43:58




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
Massey!

Allan

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Lee in Iowa

03-09-2008 21:02:23




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Allan In NE, 03-09-2008 09:43:58  
Allan are there a lot of rollover plows in your area I'd like to have one, but they're pretty scarce around here. Even if you have a lot of tractor for the plow it gets nasty when your downhill wheel is in the furrow on a sidehill. Lee



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Allan In NE

03-11-2008 03:57:10




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Lee in Iowa, 03-09-2008 21:02:23  
Oh yeah,

They are all over out here. Guess I've never even seen a one-way up close.

Allan



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MF Poor

03-09-2008 09:25:26




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
Best mounted plows are Ford 101's. (They were built to Ford specs by first Pittsburg Plow, then Oliver/White) Massey built a good mounted plow too. I've owned a few Deere mounted plows and was convinced my tractor needed overhauling until I put a different plow on them. They pulled harder than a boat anchor and didn't do as good of a job as some others IMHO.

Ford 101 is easiest to find wear parts for nowdays.

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MikeinKy

03-09-2008 09:06:49




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
In my 50 some years, I have used or owned most brands on the market. I use John Deere's now, actually most of my life, because that is what I grew up with. If I were buying a plow now I think Oliver or White are hard to beat. Oliver has always had a really good plow and White is pretty much an extention of them.



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Scott KY

03-09-2008 08:41:11




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
I have always been a fan of Oliver plows. I recently bought a Case "A" series 3 bottom pull type plow. I have used it at several plow days and have received many compliments on how well it plows. It has high clearance which helps it get through residue without clogging up.



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jhill52

03-09-2008 08:40:51




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
The Oliver and IH pull type plows were good bu8t in a 3pt mounted plow a Ford 101 model plow is hard to beat. Pull easy, cover good and parts are readily available. I have had 3 and they all worked good.

Jerry



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RODGEinIL

03-09-2008 08:37:46




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
Hi all.. I had a JD 55ABH? I think. Did a real good job, easey pulling. Traded it for a IH no 8 and had good luck with that too.



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rrlund

03-09-2008 08:21:29




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
I'll go along with Dave. You just can't beat an Oliver plow.



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Dave 2N

03-09-2008 07:24:38




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 Re: Best plows- No wars please! in reply to Bret4207, 03-09-2008 07:10:15  
I've used a lot of them in my time over the years and honestly, I think the old Oliver w/ 2-16's pulled the easiest and did the best job. I finally got of my own few years ago and have kind of restored it. Now, when our club has plow days (and they have several), my oldest son grabs the 48 JD A and the Oliver plow before anyone else even gets a chance to express their desires!! Just my $.02.

But back in my "younger days," I did a lot of plowing with an I-H, Massey-Harris, JD 44 and Ford Dearborn plows. The Ford N-series are real plowing machines with a 2-14 plow on the back. But that is what they were designed for.

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