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No more cheap hay prices in the Southeast.

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Hay DR

03-08-2008 08:20:48




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There will be no more cheap hay in the Carolinas, Va, KY, TN, GA & AL. Because of the drought last summer, there are not hay stocks left. Now production costs of hay has increased dramatically and demand will be at a premium. You can expect 4x5 round bales to start in the $50 range for grass hay. Small square bales of grass hay will bring in the $8.00 range this summer. I have seen small square alfalfa bales sell for $20 each this winter. Fertilizer looks cheap at $660 a ton when 5x5 round bales are bring $100 each now.

Many smaller livestock producers will be forced to start hay production this summer. Grass hay can be produced in the $30-40 a ton range if we get rain.

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dave2

03-10-2008 04:51:46




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 Re: No more cheap hay prices in the Southeast. in reply to Hay DR, 03-08-2008 08:20:48  
The hay I get locally and what the local farmers put up is very seldom fertilized. They plan on one cut a year. If they get weather for a second cut that will give time to grow again, they'll do it. If not, they'll cut it and leave it lay (fertilizer?). Some do several cuttings on bottomland, but cut it younger and use it for silage balls and pump manure onto it several times a year. We had a bad year in 2003 and got 1/2 of the normal production. Just meant that everyone had to buy somewhere else or feed alternatives. My compromise was beet pulp and oat straw (worked out so well that I still feed it to our gelding, stallion when he's not breeding, and empty mares. I know, it's not as easy for you folks because everything is so spread out.
Just out of curiousity, do you folks have access to beet pulp? If so, what does it cost? Also, what does straw cost?

I remember as a kid, straw cost more than hay (SE OH).

Dave

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Texasmark

03-09-2008 08:26:38




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 Re: No more cheap hay prices in the Southeast. in reply to Hay DR, 03-08-2008 08:20:48  
We had droughts here in N. Texas in '05 and '06. I am a hay producer and produced less than half what I needed to feed just my cows, much less sell any.

To give you some example, prior to '05, 5x6 roll sudan hay was selling for $25 a roll. In '06 I was lucky and got a truck load of low protein hay (headed out) and a load of corn stalks.....obviously little to no protein in that from a local hay producer friend of mine. The hay was $65 a roll and the stalks were $40.

Neighboring states did not suffer the drought we did and you could get online and find hay to be trucked in from other places. The hay was around $30 a roll but the trucking fee was another $40 a roll and you had no idea what you were going to get.

With this year's fertilizer prices, I'd think that the $100 per 5x6 would not be unrealistic.

Mark

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Spook

03-08-2008 17:59:08




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 Re: No more cheap hay prices in the Southeast. in reply to Hay DR, 03-08-2008 08:20:48  
With fuel and fertilizer at these levels, I can't see how it can go under $5 a bale anywhere. It's called inflation, the result of 6+ years of deficit spending, and a very expensive war. Many people are going to find that maybe they aren't "middle class". It is going to be a smaller club.



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Texasmark

03-09-2008 08:16:27




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 Re: No more cheap hay prices in the Southeast. in reply to Spook, 03-08-2008 17:59:08  
I don't want to get into a shooting war over this but I have had conversations with the local fertilizer supplier and after getting a heads up that something is changing, I got on the www and did a good deal of investigating.

Result is that there are a lot more folks after the supplies of DAP and other necessities. It's called supply and demand. One reason for grain's increase in price is ethanol for corn but a lot more people in the world are eating bread. Had articles in the NY Times just this morning about the subject. Might take a look at them.

So I thought I'd be clever and do my homework to find good companies which are fertilizer miners and invest in them to help to offset my upcoming expenses this spring. Well, on paper, that may sound like a good idea, but in reality, the stock market is caving in and with it a lot of the things that you think would be good investments, aren't.

Back in January, I tried to buy fertilizer for the season, like you can "pre pay" on propane before the season(September). Wouldn't do it. Said I had to buy at the market price when I bought it. Since we only have one dealer within reasonable travel distances, they call the shots.

Mark

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johns48jdb

03-08-2008 17:00:59




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 Re: No more cheap hay prices in the Southeast. in reply to Hay DR, 03-08-2008 08:20:48  
guys i hate to bust you'lls bubble. ain't nothing cheap any more. it will take months after the rep are booted out to get things settled back down. if i ran any kind of small businees i'd be selling out. every dime people make will have to go for gas, food and a place to live. unless you are in line with those three things that people have to have your not going to make it. i use to kid my wife about going to the river and beating clothes out on a rock. doesn't seem as funny now. if you don't own a piece of land you can grow something to eat on our going to be in big trouble one of these days. its going to come to where you grow one thing and trade with a neighbor for something he's grown to survive. i don't envy any body who lives in a city and doesn't know how to rasie a thing. no place to grow it any way. so they'll come out into the country and rob farmers of what they have to eat. way out in left field i know, but i really believe this will come to be.

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Willy P

03-08-2008 14:33:04




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 Re: No more cheap hay prices in the Southeast. in reply to Hay DR, 03-08-2008 08:20:48  
I am worried about the input cost of the hay for this year-baling cost and fertilize cost,how can you sell hay at that kind of price? Willthe people start selling their animals?Right now cattle prices are good but add in the cost of hay and feed is high,I don"t see any profit in cattle or people keeping their pleasure horses,might be a long road for the hay producers.



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jdhbag

03-08-2008 12:17:11




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 Re: No more cheap hay prices in the Southeast. in reply to Hay DR, 03-08-2008 08:20:48  
Why stop at Mitch. I say dump the whole rotten bunch especially that one that cant drive across a bridge.



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Hay DR

03-08-2008 14:30:02




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 Re: No more cheap hay prices in the Southeast. in reply to jdhbag, 03-08-2008 12:17:11  
Preach it brother!



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Our Farmer

03-08-2008 10:57:08




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 Re: No more cheap hay prices in the Southeast. in reply to Hay DR, 03-08-2008 08:20:48  
Here in MD good quality mixed hay is going for $7-9 a small square. Coop won't even give me a price on urea more than 24 hours ahead. I'm lucky I've still got enough in the barn to get through to first cutting. A bunch of small horse operations have packed it in. Just can't charge enough to cover costs if you don't put up your own hay.



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larryh

03-08-2008 10:51:24




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 Re: No more cheap hay prices in the Southeast. in reply to Hay DR, 03-08-2008 08:20:48  
that is just the start did you know the money bags senator has a plan in place to kill 5,000,000 square bales of hay in central ky he has already started in our area and intends on destroying farming state wide for more campaign money i guess all the gas people got what they paid for in mitch and that aint much lets work hard to ditch mitch in 08 and i am a gop member



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huhhh?

03-09-2008 13:37:03




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 Re: No more cheap hay prices in the Southeast. in reply to larryh, 03-08-2008 10:51:24  
Could you be more specific? What, exactly, is mitch doing to kill hay in Ky? Name the plan, scheme, scam, etc that he "has in place". Never heard about it, except from your recent comments.



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Wesley Stephens

03-09-2008 05:22:59




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 Re: No more cheap hay prices in the Southeast. in reply to larryh, 03-08-2008 10:51:24  
We are in the middle of hog country here in SE NC, so hopefully hay prices here in SE NC will go down. Horse people don"t like hay from spray fields and in normal years a lot of it just rots away. If it rains, there will be a lot of it and the hog farmers get fertilizer as a by product. That"s the only reason they have Coastal Bermuda anyway. I"ll probably use some hay this summer, but I"m going to plant some corn for silage too.

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