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OT - pre-charged well tank location

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Randy-IA

02-16-2008 21:17:27




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Hi All , My old galvanized pressure tank in the pumphouse has sprung a pinhole leak . I've been wanting to move the tank into the basement but don't want to move the electric in too , at least not until this summer sometime . I'm looking at the Flotec 220 gallon pre-charged tank to replace the standard size galvanized tank I have now . There's not enough room in the pumphouse for a tank of that size . Can the pressure switch be left in the pumphouse which is about 75 - 80 feet from the house ? I know it's not recommended but will it work ? Thanks ! ...Randy

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paul

02-17-2008 17:14:08




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 Re: OT - pre-charged well tank location in reply to Randy-IA, 02-16-2008 21:17:27  
Wow, I thought the 80 gal tank I have is big, don't think I ever saw a 220 gal pressure tank!

You'd be best off putting a small tank where the pressure switch is. Can be tiny, but a little air cushion there will go a long way.

--->Paul



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Randy-IA

02-17-2008 19:31:12




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 Re: OT - pre-charged well tank location in reply to paul, 02-17-2008 17:14:08  
Hi , It's a 220 gallon equivilent tank tank . It has 26 gallons of usable water . An 80 gallon tank has about 6 to 10 gallons of usable water before the pump cycles . To be honest I haven't seen one either . There wasn't one on the shelf at the farm and fleet store . Thanks for the advice about the smaller pressure tank . That's what I needed to know . ...Randy



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Dave S.

02-17-2008 16:42:10




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 Re: OT - pre-charged well tank location in reply to Randy-IA, 02-16-2008 21:17:27  
I have my pressure tank in the basement 700' from the well and basement is about level with well, it works fine.

One thing I did have to do is put in another small pressure tank (about a gallon)at the switch as a buffer so the water would get moving in the pipe before the pressure switch shut the pump off an then come right back on etc. With the distance you are pumping it ought to work alright as long as the line is big enough as not to cause the same effect. Dave

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Randy-IA

02-17-2008 19:37:11




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 Re: OT - pre-charged well tank location in reply to Dave S., 02-17-2008 16:42:10  
Thanks for the suggestion about the smaller pressure tank . I have 1" tubing to the house .



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pump guy

02-17-2008 10:49:11




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 Re: OT - pre-charged well tank location in reply to Randy-IA, 02-16-2008 21:17:27  
I believe the flotec tank you are refering to is a model # 220-not a 220 gallon. it is more or less the equivelent to a 220 gallon galvanized tank. typically bladder tanks arent available larger than 119 gallons. I have done Pump and well work for 12 years now and have changed LOTS of flotec/sears tanks that were not very old. I would call your local pump repair company and get a tank from them--most should have a 5 year warranty. Dont forget to set the air pressure in the tank to approx 2 lbs less than your pressure switch "on" setting. Ex: a 40 - 60 psi switch would have a tank pressure of about 38#--too much air can cause a water hammer. Most tanks are factory charged higher than what they should be. The pressure switch should ALWAYS be at the pressure tank to avoid problems with water hammer.

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Randy-IA

02-17-2008 19:10:47




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 Re: OT - pre-charged well tank location in reply to pump guy, 02-17-2008 10:49:11  
Hi , I agree . It's a 220 gallon equivilent tank . It has 26 gallons of usable reserve water . So if we can use 26 gallons of water before the pump cycles to my way of thinking we should save a few dollars . But I may be way off base too . The well only has a three inch 120 volt pump . It costs a fortune to operate . The casing is old and a four inch pump won't fit ....Randy



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rrlund

02-17-2008 10:22:42




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 Re: OT - pre-charged well tank location in reply to Randy-IA, 02-16-2008 21:17:27  
220 gallon??? What in the world are you watering? I'm watering 200 head af cattle and only have an 80 gallon. Mine is a burry system. Burried in the ground next to the well.



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Randy-IA

02-17-2008 18:49:54




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 Re: OT - pre-charged well tank location in reply to rrlund, 02-17-2008 10:22:42  
The washing machine is running all the time due to a couple of incontinent rescue dogs with physical disabilities .



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RickL

02-17-2008 10:14:56




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 Re: OT - pre-charged well tank location in reply to Randy-IA, 02-16-2008 21:17:27  
yes, but remember thats the first place you have freeze ups if you pit is not winterproof. Moved all mine inside,best thing I done



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El Toro

02-17-2008 10:12:38




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 Re: OT - pre-charged well tank location in reply to Randy-IA, 02-16-2008 21:17:27  
I wouldn't use such a large bladder storage tank.
When I was having trouble with the old galvanized tank getting water logged and after installing 3 or 4 air volume controls I was talking to the manager of the local plumbing warehouse about the problem. He said I have a fix for your problem
and told me about the glassline tank with a bladder. I bought one and installed it and that fixed the water log problems. That was in 1963.
My mom and dad was having that problem too and I installed one for them too. We're on public water now. Hal

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RodInNS

02-17-2008 08:53:48




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 Re: OT - pre-charged well tank location in reply to Randy-IA, 02-16-2008 21:17:27  
Why such a big tank? I don't think we've got anything bigger than mabey 30 gallons around here and that was plenty for 5000 layers and 150 head of cattle.
To answer your question... you can put the bladder tank just about anywhere you want in the system since pressure will more or less equalise across a hydraulic system. There will be some pressure drop the further you go down the line on a level plane due to friction losses in the line.... but you could also get pressure increases at the tank if it's significantly lower than the pressure switch, or decreases if the tank is significantly higher than the switch. Head is the main factor that will affect pressure differences between the switch and tank, not the distance. We have tanks up to several hundred feet away from the pump. Actually we have two separate systems tied together with a tank for each pump so that they can be run separately, but normally are tied together. It makes no difference whatsoever where the tank is so long as it's located before your branch lines.

Rod

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Randy-IA

02-17-2008 18:43:27




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 Re: OT - pre-charged well tank location in reply to RodInNS, 02-17-2008 08:53:48  
Hi , Well , The tanks that big because we use a lot of water around here and our electric bill is up close to $500 a month as a result for two people , 5 horses , 18 cats and 14 dogs . The washing machine is almost constantly in use . It's just a way to hopefully save some money down the line . There is one branch to the barn and pasture out at the pumphouse . The pumphouse and the basement aren't more than 6 feet different in elevation . ...Randy

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RodInNS

02-17-2008 19:39:23




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 Re: OT - pre-charged well tank location in reply to Randy-IA, 02-17-2008 18:43:27  
26 gal is a fairly normal size tank...
Doubt it'll save you any power though unless you're on a demand meter. You're going to pump the water one way or another and that's mostly what draws the power. The starting draw is higher but that should be fairly small relative to the total run time for the pump, so I'd think the savings would be small there. Using less water is ultimately the only way to spend less I'm afraid...

Rod

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Darryl Mueller

02-17-2008 08:03:06




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 Re: OT - pre-charged well tank location in reply to Randy-IA, 02-16-2008 21:17:27  
That is a big tank make sure your well won't run out of water before the tank is full. I replaced a small tank with a 80 and had to replace it with a 38 it took to long to fill and I was short on water. If you have the water OK.



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Randy-IA

02-17-2008 18:27:20




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 Re: OT - pre-charged well tank location in reply to Darryl Mueller, 02-17-2008 08:03:06  
Yep , It is a big tank . My well has been left running by my wife for a full three days before when we went out of town . Watered the whole pasture that weekend . No problems with it going dry . ...Randy



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old

02-16-2008 21:22:28




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 Re: OT - pre-charged well tank location in reply to Randy-IA, 02-16-2008 21:17:27  
Well as long as the check value is before the pressure switch I would think it would be just fine since pressure is pressure and the line/pipe will have the same pressure on it as the tank . Ya in the world of perfect the pressure switch should be on or very near the tank but who lives in a perfect world

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Randy-IA

02-17-2008 18:22:37




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 Re: OT - pre-charged well tank location in reply to old, 02-16-2008 21:22:28  
Hi Old , The check valve will stay where it is now , right at the top of the well .



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old

02-17-2008 20:26:45




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 Re: OT - pre-charged well tank location in reply to Randy-IA, 02-17-2008 18:22:37  
Should work ok as long as the pipes hold up



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