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whats the difference between a haybine and a moco???

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BCnT

02-15-2008 13:12:18

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i see both mentioned in topics and as far as i know they both do the same thing...also does either CUT hay better than a plain ole sickle bar mower...i dont care a hoot n a holler about conditionin...my cows caint spell it so they dont care either.

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plowboy1

02-17-2008 18:45:52

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Re: whats the difference between a haybine and a moco??? in reply to BCnT, 02-15-2008 13:12:18

If you have clumpy hay or field mice build nests, your gonna love either one. that reel helps pull that stuff thru. I'll nver go back to a sickle bar except for pasture mowing.

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Texasmark

02-16-2008 10:23:20

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Re: whats the difference between a haybine and a moco??? in reply to BCnT, 02-15-2008 13:12:18

Difference? Color and cutter type. One is red and the other green. One has a sickle bar the other a disc cutter. Both have stem crushers (conditioner). JD had sickle bar conditioners (like my 1209) before the advent of the MoCo. Some people really like the MoCo. Well I would too probably if I could afford a new one. But by the time I can afford it that long bar with 10,000 gears and bearings would be plum worn out and it would cost me a fortune to get it up and running.....so I stick with the sickle like is in the 1209.

Mark

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Dave Sherburne NY

02-16-2008 09:20:26

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Re: whats the difference between a haybine and a moco??? in reply to BCnT, 02-15-2008 13:12:18

NH Haybines are Red John Deere MoCos are Green
other than that its personal preference

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Gerald J.

02-15-2008 17:06:08

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Re: whats the difference between a haybine and a moco??? in reply to BCnT, 02-15-2008 13:12:18

But your cow DO CARE! Hay cut and dried without conditioning looses a lot more leaf than conditioned hay because the conditioning makes the stem dry nearly as fast as the leaves. Then conditioned hay dries two or three days sooner, With nearly all the protein in the leaf, your cows only get straw if you knock the leaves off baling a week after mowing without conditioning. Your cows don't grow or make milk on straw.

In central Iowa, three dry days in June is about as long as we get, and that's how long it takes to dry conditioned hay. Then it rains.

Gerald J.

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Hay DR

02-15-2008 18:54:52

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Re: whats the difference between a haybine and a moco??? in reply to Gerald J., 02-15-2008 17:06:08

Conditioning is most beneficial in alfalfa. If you are harvesting grass hay all you need is a disc or drum mower and a tedder. Alfalfa is only 25% of all hay acres harvested. In the South Alfalfa is less than 4% of acres harvested.

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joe e-tx

02-15-2008 19:29:09

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Re: whats the difference between a haybine and a moco??? in reply to Hay DR, 02-15-2008 18:54:52

thank you dr hay.the bigist thing in these boards is what people are trying to bale and asking what too do.i have 35 years of east tx and know what works and what dont(i do not want to rip you off ).not collage smart just my money and time.east texas is so far behind the times, lost cotton,tomato,and any crops that sell. no fertilizer or line. children sell pines then land off.
my thoughts

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BCnT

02-16-2008 11:55:09

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Re: whats the difference between a haybine and a moco??? in reply to joe e-tx, 02-15-2008 19:29:09

no college here either...didnt even make it thru high school...i was being sarcastic about the ''new standards'' for hay.

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BCnT

02-15-2008 16:22:31

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i guess i shoulda added my location... in reply to BCnT, 02-15-2008 13:12:18

i'm in south central Texas so dry time aint much when the sun is 5 miles over us in the summer...usually cut monday and rake/bale tuesday...always used a sickle mower but since i scored this big chain round baler i figure it'll eat more than this 501 will feed it.
thanx for info.

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CRUSADER

02-16-2008 17:07:28

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Re: i guess i shoulda added my location... in reply to BCnT, 02-15-2008 16:22:31

Where in South Central Texas are you? I grew up in Corpus Christi, lived Northeast of Waco for five years and then, after 21 years of traveling around am living in Abilene.

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BCnT

02-17-2008 20:38:07

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Re: i guess i shoulda added my location... in reply to CRUSADER, 02-16-2008 17:07:28

i'm a 7th generation Galvestonian...born and raised on west end of the island...family farmed there till mid 70's...city crap and million dollar barbie houses forced us off the island...i'm raising cattle outside of Sheridan now...between Victoria/Columbus.

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CRUSADER

02-18-2008 06:28:19

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Re: i guess i shoulda added my location... in reply to BCnT, 02-17-2008 20:38:07

I have relatives that live in that area. One of them was working for the Victoria Police Department last time I heard. Is the Mikeska Brothers Barbecue place still open over in Columbus? Seems like they made the best you could get. If I remember right Rudy Mikeska in Taylor, Jerry Mikeska in Columbus, and Maurice Mikeska in Temple. A lot of history in Galveston Island. My grandparents on my father's side came to the US and landed at Galveston Island. There were a lot of immigrants that came into the US there.

Jim

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joe e-tx

02-15-2008 17:46:41

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Re: i guess i shoulda added my location... in reply to BCnT, 02-15-2008 16:22:31

BCnT you got the right idea,go with it.most northern states do not bale same GRASS hay as we do.i have cut 25 acres starting at 5 am and started baling at 3 pm to keep it from getting to dry ( all brown). 110 air temp and ground at 95 ,does not take long for costal burmuda to dry and keep that pea green color,had 13.5 protein at test.use fertilizer and go 30 days from fertilizer day and CUT ( with or with out rain) will work out great. might look like thin cutting but hay will be top notch for cows and over proteined for horses that get grained (in texas ). my two cents joe

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BCnT

02-15-2008 18:42:05

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Re: i guess i shoulda added my location... in reply to joe e-tx, 02-15-2008 17:46:41

yep...thats what i thot...hell we useta bale salt marsh grass for my godfathers dairy cows in the old days before all this college edumacation got in the way...never had any loss in milk production during winter.
buddy of mine offered me some jiggs spriggs so i'm gonna disc up the bahia patch and try it...hope we get rain like last summer...my buddy planted his easter weekend and was balin same field last week of june.

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GRJ

02-15-2008 16:14:34

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Re: whats the difference between a haybine and a moco??? in reply to BCnT, 02-15-2008 13:12:18

Well, you have two registered trademark names. Moco belongs to John Deere and Haybine belongs to New Holland. Too many people call a mower conditioner of any make a Haybine. WRONG!!!I guess it's flattering to the New Holland Co,but very wrong and misleading to anyone else.

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Larry NE IL

02-15-2008 18:19:17

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Re: whats the difference between a haybine and a moco??? in reply to GRJ, 02-15-2008 16:14:34

Not too sure of that since "coke" and Pepsi went through the same thing. After a while the name becomes ....vanilla

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kyhayman

02-15-2008 15:26:32

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Re: whats the difference between a haybine and a moco??? in reply to BCnT, 02-15-2008 13:12:18

Yes, either will cut hay faster and more completely than a sickle mower. We got our first one in 1980 (474 NH). It had taken all summer to cut a farm we had rented the year before with a 501 Ford. Thick, down, twisted, and matted hay with lots of clover and vetch. In fact, it did enough work, better and faster that by 1984 we had to replace it with a new one. Instead of just mowing that one rented farm we did it and several hundred more acres of custom work.

As to curing time, yes, they do make a difference. Im not convinced that they will make hay cure any faster than adding a tedder 4 hrs behind the sickle mower but they do make a differnce. We quit using haybines for most crops by 1995 and had gone to disc mowers followed by tedders due to the increase capacity and lower operating costs but they are light years ahead of a sickle mower.

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johns48jdb

02-15-2008 15:15:55

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Re: whats the difference between a haybine and a moco??? in reply to BCnT, 02-15-2008 13:12:18

that works well if the hay isn't long. if its real long hay (sudax) the reel will pull it out of the ground. i wouldn't dream of cuting hay without a moco. actually i've found the hay color to be better with a moco. i do agree with leaving it wide as possible, but more than anything i really like to cut it high. the higher stubble holds the hay up off of the ground even if it gets a little shower and it rakes easier and grows back quicker for a second cutting.

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haydude

02-15-2008 14:46:27

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Re: whats the difference between a haybine and a moco??? in reply to BCnT, 02-15-2008 13:12:18

they are the same, and if you are trying to bale hay, you better have a conditioner. The cows dont care, but you cant get it dry without one

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Hugh MacKay

02-15-2008 14:29:10

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Re: whats the difference between a haybine and a moco??? in reply to BCnT, 02-15-2008 13:12:18

BCnT: Ford farmer has your answer "Haybine" is a New Holland registered trademark, anything else is a mower-conditioner.

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snappie

02-15-2008 14:12:23

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Re: whats the difference between a haybine and a moco??? in reply to BCnT, 02-15-2008 13:12:18

if you made and sold hay in an area where the weather didn't always cooperate, you would have a better understanding of hay conditioning. in my area of northern Pa. it is necessary.

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Fordfarmer

02-15-2008 14:09:40

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Re: whats the difference between a haybine and a moco??? in reply to BCnT, 02-15-2008 13:12:18

"Haybine" is a New Holland trademarked name for their mower-conditioners. Any other company can only calls theirs a mo-co. The reel will help feed hay into the sicklebar in some conditions, but the big difference is in drying time, which can mean much better quality hay.

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ChrisLSD

02-15-2008 14:07:27

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Re: whats the difference between a haybine and a moco??? in reply to BCnT, 02-15-2008 13:12:18

the reason for the conditioning rolls or crimpers is to break the bigger stems of the material you are harvesting, thus speeding up the drying time.

Cows don't care, I still mow mine w/ a sickle mower, but they do have their place, and they do do some good.

The next point, when they first came out, mocos and haybines (they are the same as far as I am concerned) cut the material, crimped it, then threw it out the back, and most users had them to lay it in a windrow. Now they are starting to say the wider you leave the mowed swath the faster it will dry (duh?) the color won't be as good if you leave more out in the sun, but it should dry better than in one big windrow.....

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rettchr

02-15-2008 13:59:50

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Re: whats the difference between a haybine and a moco??? in reply to BCnT, 02-15-2008 13:12:18

I think this would depend on your hay and your mower. Many years ago when I was a kid, first crop alfalfa was knowcked down by a storm. To cut it with the NH mower we had, required Dad to be cutting only one way, traveling "into" the hay. We had our neigbor come and cut it with his IHC mower-conditioner. He could travel around the field in a normal fashion as its pick-up reels helped clear the sickle when traveling in the direction of the lodged hay.

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