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UU

02-14-2008 05:06:14




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I am new to farming and i have some virgin land i need to clear, the land is rolling hills and valleys so i need a rotary cutter that can handle the terrain and i dont want one that is wider than my tractor which is 7ft. I was interested in the bush hog 406,john deere 609 or 709. these machines are rated to cut up to 4 inch bush. I'm finding it hard to find a second hand one in FL. if any one knows where to find one please let me know or if you know of another make that is similar in specs. ...thanks in advance...UU

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evielboweviel

02-15-2008 12:39:18




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 Re: what rotary cutter? in reply to UU, 02-14-2008 05:06:14  
never sharpen blades on a hog used for trees and brush. sharp blades equal punji sticks for tires. DULL rounded over blades shatter the trunks which then deterioate alot faster and do a lot less tire damage
sharp blades for pasture and yards
dull blades for brush and trees Ron



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Charles Story

02-14-2008 14:15:44




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 Re: what rotary cutter? in reply to UU, 02-14-2008 05:06:14  
Just get yourself an old tire driven Sidewinder, model SW66 or SW72. I bought a SW72 the other day for $200.00, all it needed was pillow block bearings now it cuts whatever I can pushover with a ford 4000.



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UU

02-14-2008 19:59:43




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 Re: what rotary cutter? in reply to Charles Story, 02-14-2008 14:15:44  
what is a sidewinder i even tried googling it but no pics,what does it look like?



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JBMac

02-14-2008 11:25:02




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 Re: what rotary cutter? in reply to UU, 02-14-2008 05:06:14  
I don"t know where you are in Florida, but I know of a couple of places that rent 100 hp Positracs with a Fecon cutter head (a very heavy drum , 5" wide with carbide teeth). It essentially will turn anything into mulch. You can also grind stumps. Once you get the hang of it, it can really clear some land fast. You can also rent a bucket and root rake with it, take off the head when you are done, and level all the mulch you just made. Seems like it was $500 for the weekend, my b.i.l. and I split the cost and combined we cleared +- 3 acres of 1-5" trees.
The outfit is in Ft. Pierce and Jacksonville and called Southern Track and Pump.

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JBMac

02-14-2008 11:26:27




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 Re: what rotary cutter? in reply to JBMac, 02-14-2008 11:25:02  
Oops, make that 5' wide.



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Billy NY

02-14-2008 09:19:44




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 Re: what rotary cutter? in reply to UU, 02-14-2008 05:06:14  
Here is a link from Asplundh's website, they do sell off surplus equipment through the company listed, you might benefit from calling them.



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BCnT

02-14-2008 09:19:33




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 something else to consider... in reply to UU, 02-14-2008 05:06:14  
while youre out there shredding that brush be aware youre creating acres of punjii sticks that will shred normal tractor tires...i forget what ply rating you need but ask for forestry rated if you decide to go this route.
if it was me i'd buy a small dozer...clear the land and resell the dozer when you get done...or hire it done and save yourself alot of grief...this kind of work is brutal on machinery and your wallet.

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James22

02-14-2008 08:27:12




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 Re: what rotary cutter? in reply to UU, 02-14-2008 05:06:14  
The JD 709 is a real tough mower. A neighbor bought one and it is considerably more mower than the medium duty 7 ft Woods we use. Forty five years ago Dad bought a new 5 ft Ford mower and I immediately hogged 20 acres that had been unused for 30-35 years. Anything that I could get the tractor's wide front end to bend over I cut. Didn't measure any diameters but know I didn't cut anything over 3-3.5 inches. Didn't run into the large trees, eased into them. A four inch tree is pretty fearsome. My brother said they had to replace the slip clutch disks about 15 years ago and now I have/use it. Don't know who made Ford mowers but they were pretty tough. The operators manual is buried, but the S/N tag shows a component identification 22 II22. No model number is stamped on the tag. The adhesive finally gave away and I keep it in the drawer, intending to reinstall it someday.

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Billy NY

02-14-2008 09:30:56




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 Re: what rotary cutter? in reply to James22, 02-14-2008 08:27:12  
We had a 5 foot Ford rotary cutter in the 70's, I spent a lot of time mowing with it as a young kid, lot of acres went through it every year, mostly heavy grass and weeds. One thing I can remember was that when the S-O-S trans failed in our 4000 Ford ( dad let a friend borrow it and he changed the fluid, replaced with the wrong type!) I had borrowed a 2010 narrow front, around 1982, the farmer wanted to use to fields again after sitting 5 years, 2010 was hooked to a bush hog brand mower, to cut down the weeds and young trees, not sure if the guards were missing or what, but I hit a round grapefruit size rock and it launched it up behind my back and over a hedgerow into another field, the Ford mower never did that, I dropped that one and put the Ford on to finish the fields, farmer stopped using them in 1986 or '87, and today they are a young forest, no one would ever believe we had 50 acres of tillable ground now, I cleared a perimeter and some paths, what a job for an 850 ford with a loader and a 6 foot Rhino.

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UU

02-14-2008 07:06:08




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 Re: what rotary cutter? in reply to UU, 02-14-2008 05:06:14  
Thanks for the info. The reason i want one that can cut 4 inches is because i need it to be tough, i will cut all trees 2 inches and bigger to make charcoal . I need something that can take the abuse as i wont be the one driving the tractor, so optimum care might not be taken. What rotary cutters are proven work horses?.I only know of John Deere & Bush hog, does any anyone know any other brands that have proven themselves..I will be exporting it to Jamaica so i need one that wont crap out as parts are not readily available....UU

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Raleigh boulware

03-07-2008 05:46:09




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 Re: what rotary cutter? in reply to UU, 02-14-2008 07:06:08  
I have Both a Bushhog 406 and a BushHog 307 I can let go for a reasonable price...I have both the pull type setup and the 3 point hitch setup for them..the 406 needs new blades. The 307 needs a new Deck and new blades...I can let them go cheap..



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rednekelmo

02-14-2008 10:55:40




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 Re: what rotary cutter? in reply to UU, 02-14-2008 07:06:08  
check out a Rhino they're tough sob's if you have somone who deals in them near you.



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Billy NY

02-14-2008 07:28:57




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 Re: what rotary cutter? in reply to UU, 02-14-2008 07:06:08  
What size and type of tractor are you pulling with ?

If you are going to ship a 2nd hand unit to a remote place, you had better know what you are getting into here. Extra blades, shoulder bolts/blade bolts, complete gear box, stump pan, gear box seals, etc. if you plan to keep the operation moving along. If you are putting someone who is not experienced in the seat, this has the potential for some serious problems and injury.

If you are going to cut some acreage of 2" dia., more hp and heavier is better, odds are, something is going to fail, break, fall off etc. Also vibration, all the 3 pt connection hardware, safety guards have spares of those as well. I'd be calling some reputable equipment dealers, compare used against new, and if you get used, I'd have a competent mechanic check it out completely, these things are put to some serious abuse, I have repaired my 6 foot rhino more than my tractor and have done minimal heavy clearing with it. Your operator, had best take some detailed instruction from someone experienced with this equipment and had best be familiar with every part of the site.

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UU

02-14-2008 07:38:23




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 Re: what rotary cutter? in reply to Billy NY, 02-14-2008 07:28:57  
SOUNDS LIKE I NEED TO BUY NEW AS IT DOSENT MAKE SENSE TO BUY SECOND HAND THEN BUY PARTS TO MAKE ANOTHER. I'M GONNA BE USING A 75HP TRACTOR. I THINK I'LL HAVE MY WORK CUT OUT FOR ME...WISH I HAD ONE OF THOSE MACHINES IN THE PICS...UU



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Billy NY

02-14-2008 08:13:39




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 Re: what rotary cutter? in reply to UU, 02-14-2008 07:38:23  
That might be a help, but do realize even a new factory fresh cutter may still have problems or bugs to work out in the field, it's just the nature of this kind of work and you will still need some spare parts on hand to keep production moving. 75 HP might match up with something 7'-0", with a really heavy gearbox/deck and be capable of doing the job, hopefully it's an older heavier type tractor with a low center of gravity. Rear mount cutter, you still have to knock over the the brush, front end loader comes in handy here, flattens them down away from the engine compartment and front axle, grill etc., once you go over heavy vegetation like this, you can't back up until you have cleared to an opening or it will stand back up and get caught on the tractor if your try and back out. Take a look at the Rhino line up for heavy rotary cutters, just to get an idea, I'm not that familiar with other or all manufacturers of this HD level of cutters, just know it's nasty work, I have some experience having done clearing work since a young age. The best thing is to find an outfit running some of this HD rotary cutter equipment and see what mfr. and set up performs best and is not difficult to get parts/service for, you'll need it if you have to do any amount of acreage and want to keep moving.

Compare the cost of a new HD cutter, abuse of your tractor to a used D6 size caterpillar dozer say D series and older, preferrably with a brush cage, ripper or root rake. You can find one of those in field ready condition if you look around maybe you'll have to build it out to your needs for clearing, but it's going to be a lot less headache with one of these in field ready condition, you would be able rip through the root bound soil with a ripper or root rake, have to be careful about erosion, roots hold it all together on hills. Even a D4 sized machine would probably suffice here. You shold be able to find one under $20,000, a new cutter could be half that, yet still be problematic, call around and do some research, either way plan ahead, you'll still get it done, just reduce the headaches as much as you can. Take care of it and it's resale value will be good, one job won't tear it up if your operator uses common sense.

Those big clearing machines sure are the answer if you want to cut and shred up heavy brush, I never saw anything like those before.

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Billy NY

02-14-2008 06:37:12




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 Re: what rotary cutter? in reply to UU, 02-14-2008 05:06:14  
Servis-Rhino makes them in that range, but they are expensive, never looked at the Bush Hog line up, would think they might have them that would handle 4" brush. Finding a used heavy duty one might be difficult. I saw something on the photo ads here Mfr. was "Brown" small and heavy duty, would handle that diameter, was like $1200, but you have no idea what it's been through and what repairs it needs, looked in good shape and that is a reasonable price for what it does. Really a gamble when you get a used one, they have to put up with some real abuse, and do need a lot of HP to run in heavy brush.

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Your terrain is similar to what it is like here, but I wonder if the brush is like what we have, really young trees, hardwood, blackberry bush, thorn bush, and similar are easy to deal with but when you start getting into small trees, it becomes nasty work with a regular tractor, open station, smacked in the face, poked at, impaled, dodging things flying out from the cutter on occasion, just really nasty work, best done when the ground is frozen and things are a little more brittle.

Maybe you have experience and know these things, but if not, also consider the tractor you are going to use, and safety like a roll over protection structure, seat with seatbelt, etc. Without a loader to knock these 1" trees over here first, no way the cutter would deal with them, I raise up and then set it down as I pass over the heavier material and it sounds like you ran over a landmine. Also fun when you hook on to a tree with the cutter deck or a tire starts riding up one bent over, well you probably get the point or know this already. I mention it because a neighbor on the other side of the hill got bounced off a tractor and under the cutter, doing the same kind of work in nasty conditions.

A small dozer with a brush cab might make short work of this, or another similar piece of equipment like what the forestry company use, but probably hard to find in a rental fleet, if the brush pops out easily, you can clear and stockpile quite a bit in one day, not put your tractor through the abuse and subject yourself to the hazards. I like renting when the job requires something specific to be productive and safe. Money well spent. I've cleared land both ways, dozer wins hands down when the brush is heavy. Also know the terrain, surprises can turn a tractor over, and down there, I cannot imagine what the bees and wasps and other insects are like, well enough lecturing, it's nice to look back when you are done though, looks so much better cleared.

This thing will take up to 8" trees, but not hardwood, it tossed a firewood size chunk of cherry towards me 100 yards away, from a cherry tree. These made short work of clearing though, hydraulic pump that drives the cutter is like $10,000.

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supergrumpy

02-14-2008 07:20:35




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 Re: what rotary cutter? in reply to Billy NY, 02-14-2008 06:37:12  
WOW, that is an impressive machine, drool is running down my chin!!!!! !!



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Billy NY

02-14-2008 07:45:55




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 Re: what rotary cutter? in reply to supergrumpy, 02-14-2008 07:20:35  
Yes, these are serious heavy duty, short stubby thick cutter blades, real heavy deck, I was fortunate to have been here when they cleared the power line right of way property that passes through our place. They just finished and one of the operators lifted the deck up for a photo, it makes your brush hog look like a toy in comparison.

Not only do these things make short work of heavy brush and small trees, they can negotiate some serious slopes, embankments etc. This powerline was recently upgraded, so they cleared the area, but for 30 years it was let overgrown. I waited 2-3 years before I went over the area with my cutter, the brush grows back quickly, it was part of a pasture that used to be just weeds and grasses when I was a kid.

These are owned by Asplundh, local crew that does this area were some nice people, they left a double trunk apple tree next to our small pond. Even as heavy as these are, you still have to use lots of care, no large hardwood trees etc. They are built on what looks to be similar to front end loader chassis, definitely specialized equipment, and having run plenty of big loaders, I'd have love to had use of one for a day, could reclaim all our fields in a weekend quite easily with one of these.

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johns48jdb

02-14-2008 06:17:01




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 Re: what rotary cutter? in reply to UU, 02-14-2008 05:06:14  
sounds like your asking for trouble. trying to cut anything over 2 inces with a bush hog to me is like taking a stick of dynamite to the gear box, besides what all the thing will throw out. from what bush hogging i've done even if you cut the tree down you've still got to contend with the rest of it laying on the ground. why not hire a bull dozer with a root rake and do it right the first time. let him run through it and pile the brush and your done with the stumps and tops all at once. i know its expensive but so are gear boxes and pto drive components in your tractor.

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