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7 ft haybine up to?

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Shale

02-13-2008 10:30:24




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I currently have a NH 474 seven foot haybine with which I cut 20 or so acres each year around 3 times. Good little machine but I obviously could save a lot of time with something in the nine foot range or a discbine. Does anyone have any suggestions on what I should do to move up? I am considering a nine foot haybine, like a NH488 or 489, or one of those 3 point hitch mounted discbines. A regular pull behind discbine is possible too, but frankly that would start getting up in a price range I prefer not to go. Also, I am possibly limited by my late 70�s IH 65 hp tractor, but I don�t think so.

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JoshuaGA

02-14-2008 11:38:37




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 Re: 7 ft haybine up to? in reply to Shale, 02-13-2008 10:30:24  
Don't buy a used disc cutter or discbine. They are too prone to break, lots of moving parts, and if it has been ran alot, it might have pinholes in the cutterbar. We bought a used one, ran it about 50 acres and it locked up. If you buy one, make sure it is tight, not worn out, and stay on top of the oil level. I've ran disc mowers, but have went to a sicklebar haybine with a sicklebar mower as backup. If you insist on a disc mower, I would look close at a drum mower instead. Works similar to a disc mower but much simpler and cheaper. The Hay Dr. should have some good advice.

JoshuaGA

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Shale

02-13-2008 19:25:47




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 Re: 7 ft haybine up to? in reply to Shale, 02-13-2008 10:30:24  
All, thanks for sharing your suggestions, just what I was looking for. The NH488 sounds like it might be the best option. I have a couple fields that make up the 20 acres...they are fairly rectangular and open, I think 9ft will work. Now I have to start marketing my NH474.



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RodInNS

02-14-2008 05:08:38




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 Re: 7 ft haybine up to? in reply to Shale, 02-13-2008 19:25:47  
I think if I had a real good working 7 footer I'd just stay with that. You'll save about 25% on the time end of things by going to a 9 footer ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL. That would be negligible on 20 acres if the machine is well tuned. However..... if you end up buying a poor 488 on trade for a good 474 that you have, you'll probably wish you just stayed with what you had. Slowing down to 2 MPH for a miserable old junker that won't cut is going backwards from a 7 footer that will cut at 5 mph. Keep that in mind. Also remember that your 474 is worth next to nothing because of it's size wheras the 488 could still fetch a bunch of money as junk because somebody may need the parts off it.
Personally I run discbines and wouldn't run anything else willingly. Realistically an 8' discbine is about all you want on 70 hp if you want to work it to capacity. You CAN RUN 9-10' in certain conditions, in certain crops on certain slopes but you'd be asking a lot of it on a hill in heavy crop. Probably slower than cutting with your 7' haybine. Discbines are twice as fast, IF, AND ONLY IF you have the power to make them jump.

Rod

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Shale

02-14-2008 09:59:39




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 Re: 7 ft haybine up to? in reply to RodInNS, 02-14-2008 05:08:38  
Those are wise words Rod. One thing to throw out there.....I am in eastern OH....lots of small farms and weekend warriors. 7 foot haybines are actually holding up well. Kind of like used 3 bottom plows selling for close to what a 4, maybe 5 bottom brings. There are just a lot more people in that market. I'm a little surprised no one commented on the 3 point discbines- NH616's, JD275's, etc. I suspect a used one of those would be cost comparable to a good 9 foot haybine.

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RodInNS

02-14-2008 18:38:16




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 Re: 7 ft haybine up to? in reply to Shale, 02-14-2008 09:59:39  
There were never many 7 footers around here and the ones that remain are not terribly wanted. Most anybody that has the power to run 7 feet can run 9 just as easily. Neighbours here have run a 12' Case/IH on 42 HP from time to time and normally run it on 55 hp. Works fine at 5 MPH. Trick is to have it tuned up.

The mounted disc mowers are fine to a point. We had two PZ Falzet 230 Disc mower conditioners and destroyed both in about 5 years each. It was a poor mower in my opinion. Too many shafts and obscure moving parts.
We went to a NH 465 after that which is a repainted Kuhn GMD77HD. That's been a very good mower and taken a lot of abuse from rock. There has not been one bearing changed in that bar, and the bar hasn't been opened yet, BUT it does now have a leak on the outer end from wearing thin.
IF you do go looking at them check to see that the bearings are tight (disc's don't wobble), look at the underside of the bar for wear, particularly on the outer end. Check the lift pivot for slop since that could be in need of new bushings. I'd also open the gear box plugs and check the oil if that's possible and have a look for crap. I always changed the oil annualy in that mower and never had any trouble with the gear train. Replaced shafts, jackshaft bearings and belts along with a lot of blades and skid shoes though. The older mounted Deere mowers were also Kuhn mowers although a more basic spec I believe.
I'd not be keen on anything but a Kuhn bar, but that's just my personal preference. You can do OK used, but check them carefully.... and if at all possible, buy the scrap one and rebuild it. I bought a 'good' discbine 2 years ago and wish I hadn't. Next one WILL be scrap. I'll go through it and then I'll know what I have.

Rod

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Gerald J.

02-13-2008 17:29:13




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 Re: 7 ft haybine up to? in reply to Shale, 02-13-2008 10:30:24  
I cut many an acre of belly high alfalfa with my MF-135 (35 hp) and a 9'3" Hesston PT-10 at 5 mph. Shorter hay I could cut at 6 mph. Covered a lot of ground at those ground speeds and width.

Gerald J.



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karl f

02-13-2008 15:43:21




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 Re: 7 ft haybine up to? in reply to Shale, 02-13-2008 10:30:24  
how is your 20 acres? wide open? or lots of turns? you might wish you had the 7ft after you replace with 9 if there's a lot of maneuvering to do.

70hp will pull a 9ft discbine fine too, although it will use more fuel since it's maxed out. a 7ft discbine would be slick and you still cut faster than with a sickle machine, so you gain on time.

i think 20 acres isn't much though. 7ft is quite adequate. I think the old minnesota mower on the f12 was only a 5 footer and grand dad only had 160 acres then, some was in corn, some grains and some homestead. now 250 acres of hay with 9 ft is slow to me.

karl f

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JoshuaGA

02-13-2008 15:39:34




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 Re: 7 ft haybine up to? in reply to Shale, 02-13-2008 10:30:24  
Whats your hurry. If your machine is in good shape and you aren't pressed for time, I think I would just save some money and not buy anything. Besides, if yor knives and guards and all are in goos shape and properly adjusted, you will still cut at a pretty good clip maybe a mile or two slower than a disc. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.

JoshuaGA



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Dave Sherburne NY

02-13-2008 15:38:13




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 Re: 7 ft haybine up to? in reply to Shale, 02-13-2008 10:30:24  
Rick is right about the 489 go for a 488



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RickB

02-13-2008 14:38:03




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 Re: 7 ft haybine up to? in reply to Shale, 02-13-2008 10:30:24  
A 489 can have several hidden sins if you don't know where to look. A 488 is a very good machine, and still built today, I believe. Every 489 is at least 19 years old.



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Luke S

02-13-2008 10:53:06




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 Re: 7 ft haybine up to? in reply to Shale, 02-13-2008 10:30:24  
I'd look at a New Holland 479 or 488. Both real good 9' machine that can be had for $750-$7500 depending on age and condition. Pulls easy, easy to work on, easy to get parts for. I run a 30 year old 479 that I bought from an old couple at church who bought it new in 1977 and kept it in the shed. They only cut 50-75 acres a year with it. I paid $1,000 and spent $500 on some new belts and a few other little things. She now runs as good as new and gives no trouble.

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