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Vermeer Rebel 5410 vs 5400

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Doug at Grimes

01-27-2008 09:12:39




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Been looking at a new 5410, but don't like the limited visibility of the bale due to the twine storage in the front. From the pictures I have seen, it looks like the 5400 will allow the operator to see the bale better while it is forming. Is the 5400 still available as a new baler, if not what was the last year they were made?
Also, is the design of the 5410 referenced above actually a problem for some?

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Hay DR

01-27-2008 20:13:47




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 Re: Vermeer Rebel 5410 vs 5400 in reply to Doug at Grimes, 01-27-2008 09:12:39  
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Don't for get to check out the Vermeer Rebates.



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Blue guy

01-27-2008 09:54:42




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 Re: Vermeer Rebel 5410 vs 5400 in reply to Doug at Grimes, 01-27-2008 09:12:39  
I'm not positive, but I think the 5400 was made up until last year. I see alot of improvements on the 5410 that the 5400 should of had, such as 3 ply belts, belts that are the same width and what looks to me like a much improved twine tying system. The new 5410 also has a new net wrap system as an option.

I can see the rolls on my 5400 good up to about 4' diameter, after that it is pretty much a guess. I'm not sure what system of side to side monitoring is on the 5410, it may just be in the accu-bale system.

What kind of prices are they quoting on the new 5410's?

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Doug at Grimes

01-27-2008 17:37:33




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 Re: Vermeer Rebel 5410 vs 5400 in reply to Blue guy, 01-27-2008 09:54:42  
The lowest price I was given from a good dealer in Augusta,WV was $15,200. The baler included only the standard features plus the hay saver wheels (no NetWrap). The plan was to trade my 504G in on it for $2,000 so my price was actually $13,200. A 504I is also available for $6500, but the previous owner said they had baled 10,000+ bales with it. If that's true, it seems to me like buying a car with 300,000 miles on it.

Thanks for your input. It sounds like I should stick with the 5410, but as a small part-time farmer, it's hard to justify that price.

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Finn Md

01-30-2008 10:08:25




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 Re: Vermeer Rebel 5410 vs 5400 in reply to Doug at Grimes, 01-27-2008 17:37:33  
is your 504 in decent shape? If in field ready condition I may know someone interested to buy in northern MD area.



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kyhayman

01-28-2008 21:41:58




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 Re: Vermeer Rebel 5410 vs 5400 in reply to Doug at Grimes, 01-27-2008 17:37:33  
Ten thousand bales is barely broke in good. While Im not a Vermeer cheerleader (never owned one actually) I cant see them being any worse than a NH or JD. At 40-50000 on the older NH balers I noticed the bale cases wearing thin. Im over than now on mine and the thicker steel makes a difference.



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Hay DR

01-27-2008 19:59:25




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 Re: Vermeer Rebel 5410 vs 5400 in reply to Doug at Grimes, 01-27-2008 17:37:33  
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10,000 bales is nothing on a 504I baler. The pickup should go 40,000-50,000 bales before you might need to change out some cam bushings. We have customers that baled 4000-6000 bales a year for 10 years before they traded them back for a later model.

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Blue guy

01-27-2008 18:50:00




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 Re: Vermeer Rebel 5410 vs 5400 in reply to Doug at Grimes, 01-27-2008 17:37:33  
Just keep your eyes open for auctions. Good vermeers go reasonably priced around here at sales. John Deere's usually bring top money at sales, but sometimes one slips by worth the money.

If you are going to buy new, check out the JD 458 standard baler. I know it has the bale forming indicators on it. It also has the audible alarms on it. They list for around $16900, so a good dealer might match or even beat your quote that you got on the 5410. The only drawback I see is that the deere has hydraulic twine tie, which isn't a big deal as long as you have two sets of valves on your tractor.

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banjo

01-27-2008 20:41:12




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 Re: Vermeer Rebel 5410 vs 5400 in reply to Blue guy, 01-27-2008 18:50:00  
I dont know about the newer JD balers but the old 530 has hydraulic tie but uses its own hydraulics. it has a power steering pump to run the tie arm.



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