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NH 851 round baler - ? Allen in NE and others

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Michael Sheik

01-25-2008 04:53:23

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I have been looking and reading in the archives many posts on the NH chain baler. Reason being that there are two 851's for sale close to me and priced within my range. I see a lot of replies from Allen and it looks like he knows these things inside and out. I just really have no experience in running one and what to look for on a used unit. I also see a lot of talk about them not baling as tight a bale. Mine is grass(bermuda, OWB) and is this a significant issue. Going to look at the two this weekend and would appreciate any help or pointers.

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JoshuaGA

02-08-2008 17:44:17

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Re: NH 851 round baler - ? Allen in NE and others in reply to bigh, 01-25-2008 04:53:23

Michael Sheik said: (quoted from post at 21:55:32 01/28/08) Budget limitations are simply due to not having a lot of acres to bale and all for myself. Have a hard time getting it done custom because of small acreage/ small # bales and field is out in the sticks. Perfectly understandable from the custom operator's standpoint.
I was asking about the tightness of the bale because it has to be stored outside and uncovered. I had field baled last summer with JD baler/ net wrapped and the bales are very nice, tight and not too heavy at all. Don't know the wieght but guessing maybe 1200? Don't know!

Just for discussion's sake, say the JD bale is 1200#. Would the 851 bale be 90% of that weight or less?

It should. Two things about those bales. 1200 pounds is in a bigger package. they handle more along the lines of a softcore bale. Also. if you store outside, they lose abput 6 inches all the way around due to weather. Dont set them close to one another, they settle and that string likes to mix up in its neighbors. Cows like eating them though. However, a hay ring is almost a necessity to make the most efficient use. HTH.

JoshuaGA

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RickL

01-27-2008 08:17:01

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Re: NH 851 round baler - ? Allen in NE and others in reply to Michael Sheik, 01-25-2008 04:53:23

think this has already been mentioned but if for your own use (hay) then nobody would know the difference and shed them if possible. If selling then no way would I do without belt style and net wrap. end of discussion. As of datre I still do not own large round baler cause still have it done with new unit and tractor driver form another fellow for $9.50 bale, I can't afford to own one for that,allows me to stay in shop.
All I own is small square as that is my priority anyway when selling hay.

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JoshuaGA

01-25-2008 19:17:46

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Re: NH 851 round baler - ? Allen in NE and others in reply to Michael Sheik, 01-25-2008 04:53:23

If you are only baling for you and yours, that baler is fine. If you are selling hay, as limited of a budget as you are on, I would buy a square baler, only round baler to find cheaper is an Allis Rotabaler. The 851 won't bale as tight a bale, but if you can cover it, it does store. I find personally that soft bales make for less waste feeding. Chain will also force you to put up good hay because they dont like it wet or dry. Pretty hay that is dry when you pick up a wisp bales fine, saves a lot of cussing. If you have truble starting the core, go to some wetter hay, form the core, and then move to dry. They are dirty. Change the oil in all your tractors before the beginning of the season so you have some to lube every chain on that baler. MAKE SURE TO PUT DOWN THE CYLINDER STOPS WHEN UNDER THAT TALEGATE! IT CAN KILL YOU IF A LINE SHOULD FAIL!!! Run our 846 hand tie, does a decent job. Ask how it was used. If it suits you buy it.
JoshuaGA

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Michael Sheik

01-28-2008 04:55:32

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Re: NH 851 round baler - ? Allen in NE and others in reply to JoshuaGA, 01-25-2008 19:17:46

Budget limitations are simply due to not having a lot of acres to bale and all for myself. Have a hard time getting it done custom because of small acreage/ small # bales and field is out in the sticks. Perfectly understandable from the custom operator's standpoint. I was asking about the tightness of the bale because it has to be stored outside and uncovered. I had field baled last summer with JD baler/ net wrapped and the bales are very nice, tight and not too heavy at all. Don't know the wieght but guessing maybe 1200? Don't know!
Just for discussion's sake, say the JD bale is 1200#. Would the 851 bale be 90% of that weight or less?

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hd6gtom

01-25-2008 11:12:14

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Re: NH 851 round baler - ? Allen in NE and others in reply to Michael Sheik, 01-25-2008 04:53:23

Mike I have one I use every year. Make several hundred bales a year, alfalfa and clover. The later 851's were made with a heaver main chain. Unfortunately my NH dealer can't find where NH listed a serial # break when they went to the heavy chain. Mine doesn't like to bale grass hay. I have to have neighbor bring his Jd to do grass. I must agree with some of the other posts the belt balers make a tighter better bale. If you are going to sell your hay a belt baler may be what you want. Mine all stays at home and as a result I will keep the NH 851 I have.

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RickB

01-27-2008 04:14:38

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Re: NH 851 round baler - ? Allen in NE and others in reply to hd6gtom, 01-25-2008 11:12:14

NH lists CA550 and CA557 chains for the 851 baler. There is no change in the sprocket part numbers. A check of the chain dimensions reveals they are functionally interchangeable with CA557 being a slightly heavier spec chain.

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kyhayman

01-25-2008 09:26:00

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Re: NH 851 round baler - ? Allen in NE and others in reply to Michael Sheik, 01-25-2008 04:53:23

If you are already facing bale tightness issues I'd sure want to look at a belt baler. I grew up on chain balers 846,847, and 851. Wore them out, literally doing custom work. Good balers, but not the kind of bale tightness you'll find with an open throat belt baler. Some of the 640-650 NH balers are getting down pretty reasonable in price.

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Allan In NE

01-25-2008 07:37:44

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Re: NH 851 round baler - ? Allen in NE and others in reply to Michael Sheik, 01-25-2008 04:53:23

You could go talk to this fella.

They make a heck of a big, heavy bale tho; don't know if that is what you're looking for.

Allan

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Chrisco

01-25-2008 07:01:36

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Re: NH 851 round baler - ? Allen in NE and others in reply to Michael Sheik, 01-25-2008 04:53:23

First check the rollers in the chain if they are really worm be weary.

then check the chain slop by looking at the tailgate ears it the chain is so loose that it dose not come contact with the front roller the chain is shot.

Also check the sprockets.

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jamie ellington

01-25-2008 05:43:36

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Re: NH 851 round baler - ? Allen in NE and others in reply to Michael Sheik, 01-25-2008 04:53:23

i f you want a good tight roll i would try to get something with the airbags like an 853 those things are getting pretty cheap around here in kentucky you might see them on a dealers lot anywhere from 3500 to 5500 but if you go to a aution or an individual i have seen them as low as 1200-1500 you cant beat these old balers for the money,dad bought an 851 new and never had any problems and would bale a fence post if it went through the pickup,i had a 1998 556 john deere and if you got in some green hay maybe under some trees it would wrap the top roller up in a second

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Michael.sheik

01-25-2008 07:02:54

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Re: NH 851 round baler - ? Allen in NE and others in reply to jamie ellington, 01-25-2008 05:43:36

So, if the 851 doesn't have air bags, what does it use to keep tension on the bale being made.

They are asking 1100.00 for choice for the ones I am going to look at.

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Allan In NE

01-25-2008 07:22:15

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Re: NH 851 round baler - ? Allen in NE and others in reply to Michael.sheik, 01-25-2008 07:02:54

Michael,

They use spring tension to "tighten" the bale.

I don't wanna start a war here, 'cause there are lots and lots of 'em out there still workin' and they just keep going year after year after year.

However, I gotta vote with Jamie. The 850s and 851s are little more than a $100 baler. Give-aways usually.

Just my 2�, but I'd sure find a model with the roller in the floor instead of the flipper tins and floorchains.

Not trying to step on anyone's toes,

Allan

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Michael Sheik

01-25-2008 07:53:44

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Re: NH 851 round baler - ? Allen in NE and others in reply to Allan In NE, 01-25-2008 07:22:15

Not going to start a war with me! Just the info I was asking for.

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Chrisco

01-25-2008 07:20:25

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Re: NH 851 round baler - ? Allen in NE and others in reply to Michael.sheik, 01-25-2008 07:02:54

2 big springs on the sides.

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